Klarinet Archive - Posting 000866.txt from 2003/02

From: The Ciompi Family <deal5@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] The C of C
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:08:09 -0500

Got it.

BAHH, BAhh, BAHH!

Arturo

Tony Pay wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:06:54 -0800, deal5@-----.net said:
>
> > I understand completely, and, as you say, if we were together this
> > would work its way out best in sound. Yes, the Eb is arrived at fully
> > and forcefully, then there IS a small decaying of tone before growing
> > back to the E natural. But we Do grow back to it, (HATE) which I
> > thought in your original post you did not agree with. Somehow that E
> > natural must be emphatic in and of itself.
>
> [snip]
>
> > Does this sound right?
>
> Yes, it does sound right to me.
>
> In fact, in my original post, I said:
>
> > So it's not at all unnatural musically to begin again on the E
> > (strongly, but lightening) after your diminuendo D# [sic!] and a
> > snatched breath.
>
> ...which agrees with you exactly.
>
> This sort of discussion is very interesting to me, because it seems to
> be very difficult to say clearly that a note, or a passage, need not
> crescendo in and of itself in order to give the listener the impression
> that it 'leads' to the next strong point. A good example of that is the
> opening of Weber's second concerto, where the sixteenth-note run
> finishes on a high F, sounding Eb, which must obviously be emphatic.
> But if you tell a student that the end of that sixteenth-note run can
> profitably be allowed to lighten slightly, and that that will help the
> accent on the high F, they often look at you in amazement. *Obviously*
> the run *goes* to the high F, which means, to them, a crescendo
> throughout.
>
> But a crescendo is often best represented on the 'next level up'. If we
> slightly modify the 'I love you' example, and say very strongly instead,
>
> "No, I really LOVE you!"
>
> in such a way as to be taken as contradicting the notion in the
> recipient that I didn't actually like them, and so emphasising the word
> 'love' very strongly; then evidently the second syllable of the word
> 'really' is less than the first, *even though the word clearly leads to
> the subsequent 'LOVE'*.
>
> Now imagine it sung by a bad singer. It's not uncommon to hear,
>
> "...reaLLY LOVE..."
>
> which I maintain is horrible, because the unnecessary local crescendo
> distorts the words and minimises the meaning. Sometimes local
> instrumental crescendos distort phrases and minimise meaning, too.
>
> Here's another way of looking at it, which will explain the subject
> header, in case you were wondering.
>
> What's this?
>
> 000000000000000000000000
> 000000000000000000000000
> 00000 00000
> 00000 | 00000
> 00000 || 00000
> 00000 ||___ 00000 OK, it's a chair.
> 00000 |/__/| 00000
> 00000 || || 00000
> 00000 | | 00000
> 00000 00000
> 000000000000000000000000
> 000000000000000000000000
>
> What's this?
>
> 000000000000000000000000000000
> 000000000000000000000000000000
> 00000 00000
> 00000 | 00000
> 00000 | | 00000
> 00000 | | 00000
> 00000 | |____ 00000
> 00000 | / /| 00000 OK, it's a bigger chair.
> 00000 |/____/ | 00000
> 00000 | | | | 00000
> 00000 | | | | 00000
> 00000 | | 00000
> 00000 00000
> 000000000000000000000000000000
> 000000000000000000000000000000
>
> What's this?
>
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000 0000000
> 0000000 | 0000000
> 0000000 | | 0000000
> 0000000 | | 0000000
> 0000000 | | 0000000
> 0000000 | |________ 0000000
> 0000000 | / /| 0000000 OK, it's an even bigger
> 0000000 | / / | 0000000 chair! So what?
> 0000000 |/________/ | 0000000
> 0000000 | | | | 0000000
> 0000000 | | | | 0000000
> 0000000 | | | | 0000000
> 0000000 | | 0000000
> 0000000 0000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000
>
> So, what's this?
>
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000 0000000
> 0000000 | 0000000
> 0000000 | | 0000000
> 0000000 | | 0000000
> 0000000 | | | 0000000
> 0000000 | | | |________ 0000000
> 0000000 | | | / /| 0000000
> 0000000 | | |____ | / / | 0000000
> 0000000 || | / /| |/________/ | 0000000
> 0000000 ||___ |/____/ | | | | | 0000000
> 0000000 |/__/| | | | | | | | | 0000000
> 0000000 || || | | | | | | | | 0000000
> 0000000 | | | | | | 0000000
> 0000000 0000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
>
> ???
>
> It's a CRESCENDO!
>
> Of CHAIRS!
>
> Get it?-)
>
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000 0000000
> 0000000 | 0000000
> 0000000 | | 0000000
> 0000000 | | 0000000
> 0000000 | | | 0000000
> 0000000 | | | |________ 0000000
> 0000000 | | | / /| 0000000
> 0000000 | | |____ | / / | 0000000
> 0000000 || | / /| |/________/ | 0000000
> 0000000 ||___ |/____/ | | | | | 0000000
> 0000000 |/__/| | | | | | | | | 0000000
> 0000000 || || | | | | | | | | 0000000
> 0000000 | | | | | | 0000000
> 0000000 0000000
> 0000000 louder, LOUDER, !!*LOUDER*!! 0000000
> 0000000 0000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
>
> Tony
> --
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>
> ... I'm not a complete idiot - several parts are missing.
>
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