Klarinet Archive - Posting 000889.txt from 2002/11

From: David Naden <dnaden@-----.org>
Subj: RE: [kl] Poulenc Sextet for Winds and Piano
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 00:01:57 -0500

Kelly--

Basic research is basic research, and obviously we are in agreement...much
to the chagrin of others, I am sure.

On the Bernstein/West Side Story case, there is plenty of information
available about Bernstein, and West Side Story. In fact, Bernstein made his
only recording for Deutsche Gramophon in the mid to late 80's before his
death, and there is a VHS/DVD documentary available on the recording
sessions--with plenty of information in the liner notes, etc.

While I prefer to start my research with Grove, you are correct about the
Oxford and Harvard Dictionaries of Music, and the old standby...Grout.
Totally slipped my mind.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: CBA [mailto:clarinet10001@-----.com]
Subject: RE: [kl] Poulenc Sextet for Winds and Piano

David,

This person has previously asked me about Bernstein and West Side Story
(which I am sure NO ONE could find ANY information
on) and I sent back a similar message. The e-mail was phrased the same way.
It might be for a recital program, and not be necessary for the person to
site resources, but this is STILL part of the research a person has to do
for the grade.

Worse yet, most of the items could have been answered by looking through the
index in the Grout-Palisca "History of Music" text that 99% of the
undergrads in the nation use for their music history. I find a graduate
student asking these questions, even for a non-graded entry, to be
unacceptable. These are mainstream composers who have so much information in
text books, that even a moron could find these references within minutes in
a library, or in seconds on the web.

If I hadn't received a message before about the Bernstein information from
her, I might not bebelligerentrent about this. I learned to research things
this easy in 3rd grade. There is NO POSSIBLE WAY that this person could not
find the information for these questions through a very shallow search of
Poulenc in music text books, Groves Encyclopedia, Oxford Dictionary of
Music, Harvard Dictionary of Music, the internet search engines (which I did
tell her about the LAST time she asked me about
Bernstein,) ANY encyclopedia, and most any recording of the piece she is
asking about.

If it is a piece she is going to play on a recital, I think it is high time
she had a recording of it anyway...and if she gets a dub of the recording,
it DOESN'T count if she doesn't take the time to read the liner notes on the
original.

This person is just strictly lazy.

Kelly Abraham
Woodwinds - New York City

--- "David S. Naden" <dnaden@-----.edu> wrote:
> Kelly--
>
> While I have not gotten any provate e-mails from this person, I have
> been very vocal on this list about individuals doing their own
> research,
> and if asking questions, demonstrate that they have tried to
> get the
> information first.
>
> Research is part of the learning process for any level of
> degree:
> bachelors, masters or doctorate. It is inconceivable that someone in
> a graduate program would not be familiar with Grove's Dictionary
> of Music
> and Musicians, or not think to check CD or LP liner notes.
>
> In my opinion, you did the right thing by NOT helping this person, as
> the questions being asked could be found in any major text
> about
> Poulenc, or in CD liner notes.
>
> As an aside to younger members on this list, please take note. The
> ability to do one's own research is an INTEGRAL part of
> earning a
> college/university diploma at any level. In my opinion, this
> is a skill
> that seems to be lacking. It is unfortunate that Craig
> Sunshine is no
> longer participating on this list, because as a high school
> student, he
> posted often and was very eloquent for his age. Today, he is
> a student
> at Cal Tech here in Pasadena, and still performs with the Cal
> Tech Wind
> Ensemble. He was a stellar example of an individual capable
> of doing
> his/her own research, yet able to ask for assistance when
> needed. His
> posts can be found in the Klarinet Archives.
>
> David S. Naden, Mmus
> Cal State University Los Angeles
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CBA [mailto:clarinet10001@-----.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:58 PM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Poulenc Sextet for Winds and Piano
>
>
> To whom it may concern:?!?!?!?!?!
>
> I have been getting e-mails directly from this person with music
> questions, basically asking for me to do her homework. I sent
> a nasty
> message back, because I am not doing homework for someone
> else.
>
> Has anyone else on the list here been getting these messages privately
> in addition to getting them on the list?
>
> I believe if someone is going to go to college and not do the homework
> themselves, a trade school would be more appropriate for the
> student.
> They are not really interested in learning. Research is part
> of the
> learning process.
>
> Kelly Abraham
> Woodwinds - New York City
> --- Kimberly Bryan <one4allandall41@-----.com> wrote:
> > To whom it may concern:
> >
> > I am interested in receiving information on Francis
> Poulenc's Sextet
> > for winds and piano. Do you know of information on it?
> There are
> > some specific
> > questions that I am trying to answer:
> >
> > 1. What inspired Poulenc to write the sextet?
> > 2. Was the Sextet a nostalgic reference to Les Six?
> > 3. Why stylistic characteristics did Poulenc use in this
> work?
> > 4. Who was George Salles, the man whom Poulenc dedicated
> his
> > Sextet?
> >
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Kimberly Bryan
> >

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