Klarinet Archive - Posting 000873.txt from 2002/11

From: CBA <clarinet10001@-----.com>
Subj: RE: [kl] Poulenc Sextet for Winds and Piano
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 00:01:41 -0500

David,

This person has previously asked me about Bernstein and West
Side Story (which I am sure NO ONE could find ANY information
on) and I sent back a similar message. The e-mail was phrased
the same way. It might be for a recital program, and not be
necessary for the person to site resources, but this is STILL
part of the research a person has to do for the grade.

Worse yet, most of the items could have been answered by looking
through the index in the Grout-Palisca "History of Music" text
that 99% of the undergrads in the nation use for their music
history. I find a graduate student asking these questions, even
for a non-graded entry, to be unacceptable. These are mainstream
composers who have so much information in text books, that even
a moron could find these references within minutes in a library,
or in seconds on the web.

If I hadn't received a message before about the Bernstein
information from her, I might not bebelligerentrent about this.
I learned to research things this easy in 3rd grade. There is NO
POSSIBLE WAY that this person could not find the information for
these questions through a very shallow search of Poulenc in
music text books, Groves Encyclopedia, Oxford Dictionary of
Music, Harvard Dictionary of Music, the internet search engines
(which I did tell her about the LAST time she asked me about
Bernstein,) ANY encyclopedia, and most any recording of the
piece she is asking about.

If it is a piece she is going to play on a recital, I think it
is high time she had a recording of it anyway...and if she gets
a dub of the recording, it DOESN'T count if she doesn't take the
time to read the liner notes on the original.

This person is just strictly lazy.

Kelly Abraham
Woodwinds - New York City

--- "David S. Naden" <dnaden@-----.edu> wrote:
> Kelly--
>
> While I have not gotten any provate e-mails from this person,
> I have
> been very vocal on this list about individuals doing their own
> research,
> and if asking questions, demonstrate that they have tried to
> get the
> information first.
>
> Research is part of the learning process for any level of
> degree:
> bachelors, masters or doctorate. It is inconceivable that
> someone in a
> graduate program would not be familiar with Grove's Dictionary
> of Music
> and Musicians, or not think to check CD or LP liner notes.
>
> In my opinion, you did the right thing by NOT helping this
> person, as
> the questions being asked could be found in any major text
> about
> Poulenc, or in CD liner notes.
>
> As an aside to younger members on this list, please take note.
> The
> ability to do one's own research is an INTEGRAL part of
> earning a
> college/university diploma at any level. In my opinion, this
> is a skill
> that seems to be lacking. It is unfortunate that Craig
> Sunshine is no
> longer participating on this list, because as a high school
> student, he
> posted often and was very eloquent for his age. Today, he is
> a student
> at Cal Tech here in Pasadena, and still performs with the Cal
> Tech Wind
> Ensemble. He was a stellar example of an individual capable
> of doing
> his/her own research, yet able to ask for assistance when
> needed. His
> posts can be found in the Klarinet Archives.
>
> David S. Naden, Mmus
> Cal State University Los Angeles
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CBA [mailto:clarinet10001@-----.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:58 PM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Poulenc Sextet for Winds and Piano
>
>
> To whom it may concern:?!?!?!?!?!
>
> I have been getting e-mails directly from this person with
> music
> questions, basically asking for me to do her homework. I sent
> a nasty
> message back, because I am not doing homework for someone
> else.
>
> Has anyone else on the list here been getting these messages
> privately
> in addition to getting them on the list?
>
> I believe if someone is going to go to college and not do the
> homework
> themselves, a trade school would be more appropriate for the
> student.
> They are not really interested in learning. Research is part
> of the
> learning process.
>
> Kelly Abraham
> Woodwinds - New York City
> --- Kimberly Bryan <one4allandall41@-----.com> wrote:
> > To whom it may concern:
> >
> > I am interested in receiving information on Francis
> Poulenc's Sextet
> > for winds and piano. Do you know of information on it?
> There are
> > some specific
> > questions that I am trying to answer:
> >
> > 1. What inspired Poulenc to write the sextet?
> > 2. Was the Sextet a nostalgic reference to Les Six?
> > 3. Why stylistic characteristics did Poulenc use in this
> work?
> > 4. Who was George Salles, the man whom Poulenc dedicated
> his
> > Sextet?
> >
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Kimberly Bryan
> >

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