Klarinet Archive - Posting 000822.txt from 2002/07

From: The Ciompi Family <deal5@-----.net>
Subj: [kl] Total change of subject
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 19:20:30 -0400

Dear readers,
I have a question, mostly for the professional players on the list, but anyone can
apply.
I have been offered the opportunity to play the J.G.H. Mann C minor clarinet
concerto, Opus 90 with two fine orchestras. If you are even familiar with this work,
you may know it is 1870's romantic and quite difficult.
I CANNOT find any source for the orchestral parts. I know that U. of M. has a
piano reduction score, but all calls and emails to old publishers in Germany and
France have left me empty.
If any of you have an idea as to where I might try next, or if you know of such
parts, (!!!), please let me know.
Thank you so much in advance.

Sincerely,

Arturo Ciompi

"David S. Naden" wrote:

> Kimber--
>
> There is a saying that applies here: "Say what you mean and mean what you
> say." In short, don't make the statement that you are stuck in your ways,
> and then get overly defensive when someone like myself calls you on it.
>
> I for one am not interested in how mature your teachers or parents think you
> are...that's their opinion. I made no comments pertaining to your maturity,
> but I did comment on your one statement. The fact that you are so defensive
> about your own statements is an indication that you may not be as mature as
> you think.
>
> Your last sentence of your reply does in fact show some maturity, and the
> need to be clear about when your are being sarcastic, etc:
>
> "But, since this is a publis list, I am going to continue to be me, just be
> more careful to enlighten people of when and when not to get offended, or
> rather, when I am being sarcastic and when
> I am not."
>
> No one on this list has never implied or stated that you should not be you.
>
> David S. Naden, MMus
> Cal State University Los Angeles
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kimber [mailto:wolfcry01@-----.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 11:00 PM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Time for a moderated list?
>
> I am not really stuck in my ways. I know emotions don't come through in
> these posts unless you read between the lines, but my being an avid
> reader/writer has enabled me to write as I would speak. Thus, I was being
> fecitious, or sarcastic if you don't know the word... (no offense meant) I
> know I have a 90% chance of growing out of my obstinance, and, as you
> evidently don't believe, I am quite mature for my age. If you don't believe
> me, I could get my science teacher to e-mail you, whom I have only met at
> the beginning of the school year, yet she thought me mature enough to
> babysit her 2 year old for approximately 6 hours, when I have had absolutely
> no experience whatsoever before that. And, everything went better than it
> usually does for her. I could get my parents to e-mail you as well, if you
> need further proof. Or even my wrestling coach, who laughed at me outright
> in my face when I wanted to sign up, because he thought that I wanted to
> join for the guys, but quickly found out that I was the most into of all of
> them, and that's actually saying something. Don't be so steriotypical of me.
> I may be 13, but I am not average, especially since there is no such
> thing as average in the first place. And I may not have had much of a life
> yet, but what I have had was incredibly enlightening. I learn from others
> mistakes as well as my own, and I know that I cannot express my opinion on
> this list very often with the enthusiasm I have and my normal way of
> speaking without offending anyone. But, since this is a publis list, I am
> going to continue to be me, just be more careful to enlighten people of when
> and when not to get offended, or rather, when I am being sarcastic and when
> I am not.
> Kimber the Wrestler
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Naden <dnaden@-----.org>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:47 AM
> Subject: RE: [kl] Time for a moderated list?
>
> > Kimber--
> >
> > Based on what I've read, it pathetic that you are stuck in your ways at
> age
> > 13. You are TOOOOO young to really even know what life is all
> > about...because you haven't really lived a life. I won't question your
> > views, as they are those of a teenager, but be aware that this list
> includes
> > individuals of all ages, and many professional clarinetists and educators.
> >
> > I don't expect you to believe me, but I can say with some degree of
> > certainity that your strong-willed views will be tempered as you get older
> > and mature. I can speak with some authority on that, as I am a
> middle-aged
> > old fart with usually strong opinions.
> >
> > David S. Naden, MMus
> > Cal State University Los Angeles
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kimber [mailto:wolfcry01@-----.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:48 AM
> > To: klarinet@-----.org
> > Subject: Re: [kl] Time for a moderated list?
> >
> >
> > A tradsnob is a TRADitionSNOB...rather, I am stuck in my ways... ;) It's
> a
> > funny word we use when my classes get together...and no, I don't think
> it's
> > a lot of blather. The entire reason I wrote that was so that I didn't have
> > to get bi***y to people. You're right though, it doesn't concern a lot of
> > clarinet. Butin a way it does. I never openly stated it, but I have a
> > question and was trying to find the answer. Is a clarinetist more likely
> to
> > enjoy classic rock ro oppose it, because most rock doesn't involve the
> > clarinet. I mean, is a drummer more likely to like it, or a clarinetist.
> So
> > far I think the majority doesn't like it, but what does everyone else
> think?
> > Kimber the TRADitionSNOB Wrestler
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <GrabnerWG@-----.com>
> > To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 10:10 AM
> > Subject: [kl] Time for a moderated list?
> >
> >
> > > In a message dated Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:18:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > wolfcry01@-----.com writes:
> > >
> > > > You don't know me, and thuis don't knoiw my reaction to things and
> > shouldn't be so quick to assume I was stompiong on others oponions. I hate
> > people who do that, with a passion. I have to admit, I am a bit of a
> > tradsnob when it comes to music and such, but I am open minded enough to
> > look at things from more than one presepective. I was being sarcastic, but
> > when I got the impression that people were being, well, nasty towards what
> I
> > had to say. So, I went on the defensive. The only reason I am bothering to
> > explain myself is because I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression
> of
> > me. I am incredibly friendly, really a nice person. So.....
> > >
> > > Kimber, what the heck is a "tradsnob".
> > >
> > > Secondly, what a lot of blather!
> > >
> > > I personally do not favor moderated lists. It always seems to come down
> to
> > expressing only one person's opinion.
> > >
> > > However, with all the gunk this summer from Luby, and Kimber, and a few
> > others, maybe it's time to look at this issue again.
> > >
> > > Folks, we have descended to the level of a bad chatroom. What does any
> of
> > this have to do with playing the clarinet?
> > >
> > > Walter
> > >
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