Klarinet Archive - Posting 000818.txt from 2002/07

From: "David S. Naden" <dnaden@-----.edu>
Subj: RE: [kl] Time for a moderated list?
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:20:05 -0400

Kimber--

There is a saying that applies here: "Say what you mean and mean what you
say." In short, don't make the statement that you are stuck in your ways,
and then get overly defensive when someone like myself calls you on it.

I for one am not interested in how mature your teachers or parents think you
are...that's their opinion. I made no comments pertaining to your maturity,
but I did comment on your one statement. The fact that you are so defensive
about your own statements is an indication that you may not be as mature as
you think.

Your last sentence of your reply does in fact show some maturity, and the
need to be clear about when your are being sarcastic, etc:

"But, since this is a publis list, I am going to continue to be me, just be
more careful to enlighten people of when and when not to get offended, or
rather, when I am being sarcastic and when
I am not."

No one on this list has never implied or stated that you should not be you.

David S. Naden, MMus
Cal State University Los Angeles

-----Original Message-----
From: Kimber [mailto:wolfcry01@-----.com]
Subject: Re: [kl] Time for a moderated list?

I am not really stuck in my ways. I know emotions don't come through in
these posts unless you read between the lines, but my being an avid
reader/writer has enabled me to write as I would speak. Thus, I was being
fecitious, or sarcastic if you don't know the word... (no offense meant) I
know I have a 90% chance of growing out of my obstinance, and, as you
evidently don't believe, I am quite mature for my age. If you don't believe
me, I could get my science teacher to e-mail you, whom I have only met at
the beginning of the school year, yet she thought me mature enough to
babysit her 2 year old for approximately 6 hours, when I have had absolutely
no experience whatsoever before that. And, everything went better than it
usually does for her. I could get my parents to e-mail you as well, if you
need further proof. Or even my wrestling coach, who laughed at me outright
in my face when I wanted to sign up, because he thought that I wanted to
join for the guys, but quickly found out that I was the most into of all of
them, and that's actually saying something. Don't be so steriotypical of me.
I may be 13, but I am not average, especially since there is no such
thing as average in the first place. And I may not have had much of a life
yet, but what I have had was incredibly enlightening. I learn from others
mistakes as well as my own, and I know that I cannot express my opinion on
this list very often with the enthusiasm I have and my normal way of
speaking without offending anyone. But, since this is a publis list, I am
going to continue to be me, just be more careful to enlighten people of when
and when not to get offended, or rather, when I am being sarcastic and when
I am not.
Kimber the Wrestler
----- Original Message -----
From: David Naden <dnaden@-----.org>
Subject: RE: [kl] Time for a moderated list?

> Kimber--
>
> Based on what I've read, it pathetic that you are stuck in your ways at
age
> 13. You are TOOOOO young to really even know what life is all
> about...because you haven't really lived a life. I won't question your
> views, as they are those of a teenager, but be aware that this list
includes
> individuals of all ages, and many professional clarinetists and educators.
>
> I don't expect you to believe me, but I can say with some degree of
> certainity that your strong-willed views will be tempered as you get older
> and mature. I can speak with some authority on that, as I am a
middle-aged
> old fart with usually strong opinions.
>
> David S. Naden, MMus
> Cal State University Los Angeles
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kimber [mailto:wolfcry01@-----.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:48 AM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Time for a moderated list?
>
>
> A tradsnob is a TRADitionSNOB...rather, I am stuck in my ways... ;) It's
a
> funny word we use when my classes get together...and no, I don't think
it's
> a lot of blather. The entire reason I wrote that was so that I didn't have
> to get bi***y to people. You're right though, it doesn't concern a lot of
> clarinet. Butin a way it does. I never openly stated it, but I have a
> question and was trying to find the answer. Is a clarinetist more likely
to
> enjoy classic rock ro oppose it, because most rock doesn't involve the
> clarinet. I mean, is a drummer more likely to like it, or a clarinetist.
So
> far I think the majority doesn't like it, but what does everyone else
think?
> Kimber the TRADitionSNOB Wrestler
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <GrabnerWG@-----.com>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 10:10 AM
> Subject: [kl] Time for a moderated list?
>
>
> > In a message dated Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:18:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> wolfcry01@-----.com writes:
> >
> > > You don't know me, and thuis don't knoiw my reaction to things and
> shouldn't be so quick to assume I was stompiong on others oponions. I hate
> people who do that, with a passion. I have to admit, I am a bit of a
> tradsnob when it comes to music and such, but I am open minded enough to
> look at things from more than one presepective. I was being sarcastic, but
> when I got the impression that people were being, well, nasty towards what
I
> had to say. So, I went on the defensive. The only reason I am bothering to
> explain myself is because I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression
of
> me. I am incredibly friendly, really a nice person. So.....
> >
> > Kimber, what the heck is a "tradsnob".
> >
> > Secondly, what a lot of blather!
> >
> > I personally do not favor moderated lists. It always seems to come down
to
> expressing only one person's opinion.
> >
> > However, with all the gunk this summer from Luby, and Kimber, and a few
> others, maybe it's time to look at this issue again.
> >
> > Folks, we have descended to the level of a bad chatroom. What does any
of
> this have to do with playing the clarinet?
> >
> > Walter
> >
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