Klarinet Archive - Posting 000440.txt from 2002/07

From: "Daniluk, Bill" <bdaniluk@-----.com>
Subj: [kl] FW: [kl] FW: [kl] Orca song
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:40:42 -0400

Depends on what your definition of "is" is...
BD

(Since Stravinsky was Russian, and in this language, the copula is omitted,
was there ever even an is?)

-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Krive [mailto:k.krive@-----.net]
Subject: Re: [kl] FW: [kl] Orca song

No you wouldn't, Bill; nor would I; nor would Stravinsky, I suspect.

Just because "All A are B" it is not necessarily the case that "All B are
A." In other words, just because "All music is sound ordered in time," it is
not necessarily the case that "All sound ordered in time is music." (Check
out Aristotle's Square of Opposition.)

Further, if we construct a syllogism such as:

All music is sound ordered in time.
Morse code is sound ordered in time.
So, Morse code is music.

WRONG!

We wind up with an invalid syllogism; invalid because of an undistributed
middle term: (ordered in time). You see, we haven't said something about
all instances of what is "ordered in time" in either premise.

Pardon the off-topic nonsense... two Bell's Porters and I'll write almost
anything...

Maybe this post can be salvaged...

Last evening, my wife and I attended a performance of the Grand Rapids
Symphony at Blue Lake Fine Arts Camp north of Muskegon, Michigan. The
program consisted of the Barbered Bride of Smetana, Kodaly's Dances of
Galanta, the Overture to the Water Music by G.F. Handel and the Pines or
Rome by Respighi.

Of course, you know that the Kodaly and Respighi have rather exposed
clarinet passages. I must say that Susanna Dennis (who sits in the seat once
occupied by Samuel Caviezel) not only handled her solo responsibilities in a
most competent manner, the musicality of her playing was sensitive and
intelligent! Her tone is nothing short of glorious (sorry, Dan)! In fact, I
haven't heard, live, a clarinet tone I've liked better since John Manasse
visited Muskegon with the Copland Concerto (spring of 2000)! At last report,
she was using a Vandoren M-13 with Vandoren V-12s (I don't know what
hardness :-( on a Buffet R-13. (Watch me be wrong on some or all counts for
her present setup!) If you're lurking, Susanna, please correct me if I'm
wrong. John, you can tell us if you're so inclined :-)

Actually, I like Susanna's tone so much, I would recommend any clarinetist
within driving distance of Grand Rapids, MI attend GRSO concerts in order to
hear it.

Anyway, despite the 85 or so degree (F) temperature (I thought a particular
cellist in the second row was about to melt!) the orchestra remained
remarkably in control of intonational integrity.

A comical sidelight turned out to be the competition between the real birds
and the recorded birds during Mov't three of the Respighi. ...only in the
out-of-doors :-)

Enough already!

Kent

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniluk, Bill" <bdaniluk@-----.com>
Subject: [kl] FW: [kl] Orca song

> Morse Code is "sound ordered in time"; I wouldn't want to argue that it is
> music.
> BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Krive [mailto:k.krive@-----.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:18 PM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Orca song
>
>
> Try applying Stravinsky's definition of music: "Music is sound ordered in
> time." According to it, animal sounds could be said to be music only if
the
> animals were consciously meting out their respective utterings to conform
to
> a "frame" or matrix of time. What little I've heard of rap seems
> rudimentarily "ordered in time," and is, therefore, music.
>
> Kent
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Wright" <w8wright@-----.net>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [kl] Orca song
>
>
> > In regard to "what is music?" --- because it's not clear that whale or
> > dolphin or bird song should be thought of as a form of music --- just
> > as it's not clear that 'rap' is a form of music --- the Marvin Minsky
> > article:
> > http://web.media.mit.edu/~minsky/papers/Laske.Interview.Music.txt
> >
> > says:
> >
> > The term "music" expresses rather [than harmonic analysis, etc] an
> > acceptance on the side of society that something is o.k.
> >
> > Statements of this sort blur any clearcut dividing line between music
> > and language and other forms of aural communication.
> >
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