Klarinet Archive - Posting 000058.txt from 2002/07

From: Bill Hausmann <bhausmann1@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Music vs. drug testing
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:24:52 -0400

At 07:30 PM 7/1/2002 -0500, Kevin Callahan wrote:
>Explain what is wrong with my attitude, I'll listen, though I may not agree.
>I rarely worry about my fellow students cutting off my means of expression,
>and when I do, I do expect the teachers and administration to do something
>about. I did however, worry about about the administration using the same
>arguments as you to curb what I could and couldn't do. Some things were just
>silly too. While I have mentioned there are things that I thought were silly
>that I have found to not be so now that I'm older, there are still things I
>know were silly. Such as trying (quite unsuccessfully) to stop me from
>speaking about anime of all things in my private conversations. The middle
>of class is one thing, private conversations are another. While they never
>did this again and my last two years in high school were safe, successful,
>and harrasment free, I still found myself looking over my shoulder, not
>afraid of a student with a gun, but of an administrator with a rule book.

That is it in a nutshell. You see them as the enemy, even years AFTER an
incident in which, admittedly, they may not have been acting
reasonably. Perhaps they are to blame for it, but it sounds like you have
a problem with authority, although not a debilitating one.

> Open campuses are a ridiculous idea, supported, I think, mostly by the
> > local fast-food establishments.
>
>I agree, and I never suggested otherwise. I was just speaking about how it
>can feel to be, essentially, locked in a building with no way to leave. I
>don't know about other states, but in Texas, you will be arrested if you try
>to leave and physically dragged back. This I do have a problem with. It adds
>to the idea of a school as a prison where the students are inmates waiting
>to happen. While the feelings may be faulty, it would be ill advised to
>ignore them. I'm hardly though only one who has felt this way. Granted, most
>children at one time complain about school as a prison, and many times thos
>children are wrong. My fear, however, is that some of those complaints are
>warranted, even if that's the minority of the complaints.

The campus can either be open, with no one brought back, or closed, with
all "escapees" apprehended. You can't have it both ways. Either way, it
is still only a "prison" if you make it one in your mind.

> > And thus we return to the question of whether a drug test violates your
> > civil liberties. I say "no."
> >
>
>We do, and I say, "Yes." Wow, that sums up the entire thread, doesn't it? :P

Looks like we will have to agree to disagree.

Bill Hausmann bhausmann1@-----.net
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Essexville, MI 48732 ICQ UIN 4862265

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