Klarinet Archive - Posting 000591.txt from 2002/03

From: Roger Shilcock <roger.shilcock@-----.uk>
Subj: Re: [kl] R-13 and intonation. . .good grief
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 03:52:59 -0500

I had hoped my terse message was covering all this. Personally, I often think
organ intonation is disagreeable, probably because I've got used to hearing
woodwind chords.
Roger S.

In message <20020320.194056.00@-----.org writes:
> On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:41:19 -0800 (PST), leupold_1@-----.com said:
>
> > --- Roger Shilcock
> > <roger.shilcock@-----.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > I think he's pointing out that getting any particular note in tune
> > > as a tuning exercise is no guarantee of getting that or any other
> > > note in tune *while playing*. Roger S.
> >
> > He's pointing out something more substantial than even that, I think.
> > The context of playing with others involves by necessity a continuous
> > guaging of (among a zillion other elements of collaboration) one's
> > intonation relative to the other player(s). Flexibility of technique
> > in manipulating the quality of one's tone and the intonation of their
> > instrument at any given moment becomes a prerequisite to performing at
> > a polished/professional level, because pitch quirks of individual
> > instruments, combined with pitch quirks unique to various combinations
> > of instruments, are such dynamic issues. You could play an instrument
> > that is effortlessly in tune with itself, centering the needle on
> > every single note, yet find yourself figuratively bending over
> > backwards with air and embouchure adjustments in order to match tone
> > and intonation characteristics with another player.
>
> And more substantial even than that. Thirds and sevenths in wind
> chords, for example, need to be significantly flatter than equal
> temperament (or, 'the meter') to be correct, even if all the other
> players are playing 'in tune'.
>
> Pianos and organs are both significantly 'out of tune' in that respect.
> But we've got used to them.
>
> Try listening to a simple chord on an organ, sometime. Then imagine it
> to be being played by your favourite wind section.
>
> Then wince.
>
> Tony
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