Klarinet Archive - Posting 000371.txt from 2002/02

From: Roger Shilcock <roger.shilcock@-----.uk>
Subj: Re: [kl] Tony Pay's important comment
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:18:06 -0500

I think this is pretty clearly the case, as far as it goes. It would also
apply to the computer-generated music (or "music") - someone has to design
any algorithm, whether to produce music directly or to simulate a composer.
The problem seems to be - does the performer have access to this
"emotional element"
and, throught the performer, the listener, or is the "emotional element"
an essential feature of a linguistic construct?
Stravinsky is alleged to have claimed that music was powerless to express
anything at all.

Roger S.

In message <20020220124614.94867.qmail@-----.org writes:
> Good then, let's argue it. When a composer writes music, they either have an
> aesthetic in mind, or one arises naturally from their expressive proclivities.
> Either way, it's not happenstance, in the sense that whatever they produce is
> a reflection of the thoughts and feelings they have at the moment that they put
> pen to paper (or finger to keyboard in this modern age of computerized engraving).
> Unless the creator is actually a computer programmer who has written an algorithm
> for the automted generation of harmony and line, their music will have an emotion-
> al, expressive element that cannot be separated from the person who produced it.
>
> ~ Neil
>
> --- Roger Shilcock <roger.shilcock@-----.uk> wrote:
> > Assuming any creative artist has an emotional message to convey via one of
> > his/her works is *extremely* arguable.
> > Roger S.
> >
> >
> >
> > In message <20020219192250.51917.qmail@-----.org writes:
> > > --- HatNYC62@-----.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Tony suggests that a performer should not be completely boxed in by a
> > > > composers text. I agree with him to the extent that that text constrains
> > > > one's ability to express an emotional message to a listener.
> > >
> > > Is this emotional message one that originates from the performer, or
> > > are you referring to the performer's best attempt at conveying the
> > > emotional message that the composer had in mind when (s)he created
> > > that text in the first place?
> > >
> > > ~ Neil
> > >
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