Klarinet Archive - Posting 000663.txt from 2002/01

From: "Gene Nibbelin" <gnibbelin@-----.com>
Subj: RE: [kl] Gap in tenon socket between upper and lower joint
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:55:57 -0500

Ed -

That horn must have been machined on a Monday. (Weekend hangover syndrome.)
My horns must have been done on a Wednesday. Going to dig out and measure
my old Selmer A and Dubois Bb horns. The Selmer is circa 1930 and is
pitched at 444 and is a really out of tune horn. The Dubois is reportedly a
Buffet second retailed under the Dubois label. Will be interesting.

Regards,

Gene Nibbelin

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed & Carol Maurey [mailto:edsshop@-----.ca]
Subject: Re: [kl] Gap in tenon socket between upper and lower joint

Gene,

Actually, the worst example of these disgraceful gaps I ever measured was in
a LeBlanc Concerto Bb. It was 1.25 mm!

Ed Maurey
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Nibbelin" <gnibbelin@-----.com>
Subject: RE: [kl] Gap in tenon socket between upper and lower joint

> "Genius" Ed -
>
> How COULD you say such nasty things about Buffet's quality controls???
>
> Just checked the joints of my Leblanc pair. I don't think that you would
> want any closer fits.
>
> Do you think that correcting the joint gaps would solve any of Buffet's
> other problems?
>
> Couldn't resist doing a little "needling". Just kidding as I have no
> knowledge about Leblanc's quality control other than that evidenced by my
> Concertos.
>
> Gene Nibbelin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed & Carol Maurey [mailto:edsshop@-----.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 6:40 PM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Gap in tenon socket between upper and lower joint
>
> I was the genius who brought up the issue of crappy fits between joints.
> I've also noticed how flat throat tones miraculously disappear as these
gaps
> fill with water. The addition of a well chosen tuning ring will often
> sharpen an instrument's pitch! The manufactures of these instruments can
> only be described as quality control slobs.
>
> Ed Maurey
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <GrabnerWG@-----.com>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [kl] Gap in tenon socket between upper and lower joint
>
>
> > This is a good example of the supreme value of this list.
> >
> > A few weeks back, there was a thread concerning the measureable gap in
the
> tenon socket of the lower joint of the Bb and A clarinet, and the fact
that
> it was present in almost every clarinet. I measured both my clarinets, and
> to my chagrin, found a gap of almost a millimeter in the Bb and at least a
> 1/2 millimeter in the A.
> >
> > Well, this I thought, is INTOLERABLE.
> >
> > Being lucky enough to have a lathe, I turned down two nylon tuning rings
> so that they fit in the tenon socket in the clarinets and fill up the gap.
> >
> > The improvement, in tone, response of the entire clarinet, and the
closer
> tuning of the right hand 12ths is measureable. It's not an overwhelming
> change, but an improvement that I definately found worth doing.
> >
> > It it wasn't for this list, I probably would never have noticed!
> >
> > Walter Grabner
> > www.clarinetXpress.com
> >
> >
> >
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