Klarinet Archive - Posting 000243.txt from 2001/12

From: Janet McNaught <mcnaught@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] Material....was Gigliotti Inventions
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:01:44 -0500

Mike - you are confusing the basset horn, and the basset clarinet. And for each
of these instruments, there are replicas of the purported original instruments,
and there are modern versions. I believe that Dan's new basset horn is not a
replica of an "original" instrument - it is a modern basset horn, with many many
shiny gold keys. The price for these instruments is well over $3,100.00 CDN.
Steve Fox has not (to my knowledge) made a boxwood basset hron, but he has made
many many replicas of various early clarinets out of boxwood.

I will leave to Dan the question about why he wants to play the Gran Partitta on
a modern instrument.

Janet
barnes mike wrote:

> A while back, Dan Leeson posted the news of his gold plated cocobolo basset
> horn by Stephen Fox. He said he wanted it so he could perfectly reproduce a
> Mozart piece using the exact instrument used at the time Mozart created the
> piece. I also recall him stating he paid about $8500 for it
>
> Dan is really strong in his arguement that material makes no difference and
> picks away at anyone who disagrees. He claims their is no substance in their
> argument and apparently don't realize there is none to his arguments either.
>
> Anyone besides me think he's worried he is wrong since the original basset
> horn was made of boxwood and not cocobolo?
>
> Also, the Stephen Fox boxwood basset horn with all options is only Canadian
> $3,100 which works out to about US $2,000. Did he pay an extra $6,500 for
> cocobolo and boxwood?
>
> Mike
>
> >From: "Tim Roberts" <timr@-----.com>
> >Reply-To: klarinet@-----.org
> >To: "klarinet@-----.org>
> >Subject: Re: [kl] Material....was Gigliotti Inventions
> >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:30:58 -0800
> >
> >On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:53:30 -0800, Daniel Leeson ranted:
> > >
> > >Walt, not only do you speculate questionable conclusions based on no or
> > >anecdotal evidence, you even assume the ability to know what Moennig
> > >thought without him telling you. Assumptions are piled on assumptions
> > >which are piled on to personal prejudices, and out of this you expect
> > >some technical truth to suddenly appear???
> >
> >In my opinion, Dan, you are being entirely unfair in this diatribe. I know
> >I
> >am arguing with a man who is a master of debate, but I believe your
> >conclusion is not, in fact, supported by the facts.
> >
> >For reference, I restate the original quote from Alvin Swiney:
> >
> > Mr. Moennig insisted that the hard rubber of the sleeve was
> > made of quality material identical to the mouthpiece.
> > Mr. Moennig never used plastic for the barrel sleeve as he
> > felt that it made the tone too bright.
> >
> >Now let's look at Walter's followup:
> >
> > I think we know where Mr. Moennig's vote would be on whether or
> > not material made a difference.
> >
> >Walter did not announce the formulation of a technical truth here, nor did
> >he
> >even assert that Moennig knew the technical truth. Walter did not say
> >"This
> >quote establishes as fact that material makes a difference, quod erat
> >demostratum." Rather he expressed an interpretation of Swiney's quote.
> >
> >Indeed, from a purely semantic point of view, Walter's opionion follows
> >directly from Mr. Swiney's second sentence, regardless of whether Moennig
> >is
> >here to verify it. We are looking at indirect hearsay here, of course, but
> >if you accept the premise that "Mr. Moenning never used plastic for the
> >barrel sleeve as he felt that it made the tone too bright", then I do not
> >see
> >how you can argue with the conclusion that "Mr. Moenning felt that material
> >makes a difference." That's what Swiney's quote says. P implies Q.
> >Neither
> >P nor Q in this case establishes any fact about clarinet bodies, but that's
> >not what Walter asserted, and you are incorrect to berate him for doing so.
> >
> >--
> >- Tim Roberts, timr@-----.com
> > Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
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