Klarinet Archive - Posting 000269.txt from 2001/06

From: Gary Truesdail <gir@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] The guru and the internet
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 00:42:32 -0400

Tony: this person deserves a couple of your personally made reeds.

Gary

CassildaYhtill@-----.com wrote:
>
> Neil Leupold wrote to Tony Pay,
> > Nobody deserves to be the object of these meta-commentaries you
> > habitually post, as if you're in a position to pass judgment on
> > whether one person's statements will harm or benefit any of the 800+
> > members of the list.
>
> Who would Tony Pay have to be, for him to be in a position to pass judgment?
> I don't see him pretending to play God, but if he says something about the
> clarinet I take it seriously since he is a world famous clarinet player. I
> think I would be losing an opportunity to learn something if I didn't pay
> attention or if I let the tone of a comment get in the way of what it means.
>
> Before I signed on this list a few months back, I read the most recent posts
> for a few days, in the archives, to see if the list was any good. One main
> reason I went ahead and joined, was I recognized the name Tony Pay. He
> doesn't have to defend who he because his CDs bear witness that he knows what
> he talks about. Maybe some people here are jealous of him. I mean come on,
> it is one thing to disagree with him but some of this hammering has been
> really personal and spiteful. He comes on strong sometimes but when people
> disrespect him the way some do, then I don't blame him for saying something
> crude back. Some people really should just bug off.
>
> Tony Pay wrote,
> >What I notice is that people who *really* know something about the
> >subjects that concern those groups, usually fail to participate in the
> >group relevant to their expertise. This may be because they don't have
> >the time, or it may be because they get fed up with the hassle of
> >dealing with, not really the stupidities, but with the misconceptions
> >that tyros inevitably have.
> >
> >The result is that the internet is less useful than it might be, because
> >what I called, 'false gurus' arise. These are people who would be
> >smiled at any real world situation containing experts, but who, by
> >virtue of the medium, can establish some sort of credibility among the
> >less knowledgeable.
>
> Sometimes when professionals disagree with each other, that is one of the
> best learning experiences for people who get to sit in and listen. Tony Pay
> isn't the only pro on the list and he isn't the only one I listen to. But
> it's a little weird to see people who are students and even beginners
> themselves sounding like they are authorities about mouthpieces or tonguing
> techniques. Maybe some people should think about listening more and giving
> advice less. Some advice I listened to a long time ago is, "Consider the
> source." I don't think sources get too much better than Tony Pay. My 2 cents.
>
> Cass Hill
>
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