Klarinet Archive - Posting 000070.txt from 2001/06

From: Richard Bush <rbushidioglot@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] The guru and the internet
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 13:12:28 -0400

Regardless of content, grammar, etc., "Piss off" is simply bad manners
PERIOD! Not only was I shocked by such rudeness, I was equally mystified that
so few have come forth to protest this swaggering attitude and verbal abuse.
As musicians, educators and clarinet players a higher standard of civility
should be considered the norm.

Neil Leupold wrote:

> --- Tony Pay <Tony@-----.uk> wrote:
>
> >> On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 15:26:56 -0700 (PDT), leupold_1@-----.com said:
>
> >> Gee, what prompted this? ;-)
> >>
> >> ~ Neil
>
> > Piss off.
>
> Oops. You lost control and exceeded your a** necessity quota there Tony,
> wot? Being such, and knowing what singular substance spews in abundance
> from that body part, perhaps it would be best if you kept your sphincter
> shut -- eh? Right.
>
> Write what you want, in whatever tone suits you, but this business of
> criticizing the validity or usefulness of my or anybody else's contri-
> butions to the list is simply crap of a different color from the same
> orifice. Nobody deserves to be the object of these meta-commentaries
> you habitually post, as if you're in a position to pass judgment on
> whether one person's statements will harm or benefit any of the 800+
> members of the list. That's not for you to decide, nor for anybody
> else beyond the individual readers for themselves, whatever creden-
> tials or experience you think "qualifies" you to do so. Unless some-
> thing is stated with a discernible intent to mislead -- I have yet to
> witness such a thing on Klarinet in 7 years -- the discourse is in-
> tended to be free and diverse, regardless of how sophisticated it may
> or may not be relative to the standards you carry around inside your
> head. Sphincter: closed. Mind: open.
>
> This brings us back to the question of who is ultimately responsible
> for the quality and depth of content being broadcast to Klarinet sub-
> scribers. News flash, Tony: it isn't you. The same applies to any-
> body else who believes that they have the right to imply or demand
> that contributions be of a certain level of erudition or rigorous-
> ness of thought, never mind grammar, punctuation, or proper sentence
> construction. That's just not what Klarinet is about, nor has it
> ever been, although the better educated and more experienced con-
> tributors are clearly an important component of the community's cul-
> ture. The day any of you decides that it's your place to pontificate
> to others about whether or not their thoughts are worthy of expres-
> sion is the day you ought to start your own list and become its mod-
> erator. Or maybe start your own banana republic and punish its citi-
> zens for crimethink. Keep that kind of exclusivity away from Klarinet
> -- it has already done harm by driving many subscribers into silence,
> if not off the list entirely. I doubt that's what Jim Fay had in mind
> when he and Cap Bromley launched this list 9 years ago (was Vic Freyer
> in on the founding as well in some manner?). In my opinion, the only
> thing not to be tolerated, beyond obscenity and off-topic threads, is
> intolerance.
>
> Live & let live. And if you don't like what I have to say, delete it.
> But keep your crappy intolerant responses to yourself. I'm not off-topic,
> and what I submit is always with good intentions and at least a modicum of
> educated consideration. That can be said for all 800+ of us. The list
> doesn't need to be "protected" from itself by the benevolent self-import-
> ance of people who presume that their agenda is what's best for all.
>
> Neil
>
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