Klarinet Archive - Posting 000751.txt from 2001/03

From: Audrey Travis <vsofan@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] RE: Jonathan Cohler and friends in "Clarinetissimo!" = Jordan
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:49:52 -0500

No, it wasn't you who started something. It wasn't your comment I called
vitriolic, but those kinds of comments by anyone. Your post was simply the last
straw (for me). It was no worse or better than anyone else's who slammed
Jonathan's concert notice. The truth is I am apalled and now quite disgusted by
the (lack of ) positive character displayed by some list members. Someone on our
list (I forget who) has a wonderful tagline that I have taken to heart: "A man
never reveals his own character so clearly as when he discusses another's". We
might all want to think about that a bit more.

Next, the list may have been different at one time (as you state) but that
doesn't mean it was the 'be-all-and-end-all'. Things change, and sometimes for
the better. Also, if your main complaint (or anyone else's) was that this was an
advertisement, (and I don't agree BTW), why not simply and politely ask Jonathan
to put a k in front of his message instead of all these detailed criticisms of a
simple notice? Because again, below, you apologize and then continue to nitpick
- IMHO. My understanding of list members' agreement of using the k was to
advertise actual products like mouthpieces, books, barrels, etc.

I am delighted to have someone of Jonathan's calibre be a part of out list and
one willing to contribute to it. Playing devil's advocate here - does criticism
of his concert notice stem from the fact that he is commercially more successful
than some others? Why hasn't there been criticism of other list members who
posted concert notices - maybe because they somehow didn't threaten our self
esteem? Or do we place Jonathan in a different category because he's a
commercial success. Are we okay with concert notices until the posters begin
making money at it? Do we then begin to turn on them? This devil's advocate
comment is geared to all of us, who perhaps need more introspection time.

Audrey

> Did I start something? Ooops! :)
>
> First, I want to apologize to Jonathan Cohler. Where his
> announcement/advertisement did (and still does, BTW) bother me somewhat, his
> has certainly not been the only. It just so happened that his reply (which was
> excerpted in my last post) disturbed me to a point that I felt the urge to
> comment further. My less-than-hostile (and certainly not vitriolic,
> Audrey...although I will freely admit to a touch of sarcasm!) response was
> only to bring up points that I feel detract from what this 'discussion'
> board/list was once-upon-a-time. Mr. Cohler's post simply was caught in the
> crosshairs of my proverbial bow--it could have been anyone, I suppose. For the
> record, I actually own a couple of his CDs and (also actually!) enjoy them.
>
> That being said, please permit me to address a couple of the comments posted
> in response to my post (after which, my lips are sealed!).
>
> I honestly--and still do, BTW--regard the post-in-question as an
> advertisement. The fact that Mr. Cohler happened to attribute it to 'his'
> recording company was not exactly, as Kevin Fay stated, 'very clever.' I'm not
> exactly sure what label to attach to it, but a tad bit unforthcoming(is that a
> word?) is probably closer to my interpretation.
>
> Again, although I was contrary in my earlier post, I did say "if you want to
> let people know what you're doing, fine." Perhaps, a short statement to that
> effect with a reference to a web page with further details would be more
> appropriate. This way those who are interested would follow suit and others
> (such as myself, perhaps?) could quickly move on. While I feel that
> advertisements of any kind should find a place elsewhere (as opposed to
> Kevin's sentiments--and, BTW, opportunities to do so plentifully exist in
> other sections of Sneezy), this could be a half-decent attempt at a
> compromise.
>
> Mr. Cohler is quite correct in his assertion that "this was based on years of
> watching concert announcements such as the one below (from today) flow through
> my inbox." Again, I apologize to him as he was following whatever the protocol
> seems to be.
>
> But, really now--there's more than a fine line between discussion and
> promotion.
> Obviously, most of us just can't make it (and I certainly hope Carol can find
> a flight to the concert and report back to us) to the show. If Mr. Cohler
> would like to share this performance with us, however, he could do so without
> seeming to have 'his' recording company pandering to us (sorry....much too
> strong...petty... ;)).
>
> Why not offer a delayed non-downloadable feed/stream over the recording
> company's web site of all of part of your live concert? If nothing else, it
> would be great....uhhhh...advertising for your CDs!
>
> And, besides, many (but not all) would be interested in hearing it. Have a
> good concert!
>
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