Klarinet Archive - Posting 000574.txt from 2001/03

From: David Naden <dnaden@-----.org>
Subj: RE: [kl] violence
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:26:40 -0500

Thank you Neil. This thread on violence is totally inappropriate for a list
pertaining to the clarinet and music.

David S. Naden

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Leupold [mailto:leupold_1@-----.com]
Subject: Re: [kl] violence

Please take this discussion offline. It is not related to
clarinet or music, and I'd rather not see a political or
ideological debate on the Klarinet list. People get heated
up enough about marching band without getting into things
like guns & capital punishment. There are other lists
devoted entirely to those topics.

~ Neil

--- CassildaYhtill@-----.com wrote:
> Rien Stein wrote,
>
> >The one thing I definitely doo not like about the USA is the freedom to
> carry arms around. It absolutely is of no use.
>
> Basically I agree with you, only there is one mistake. This girl was
talking
> about taking a knife to school. There is no freedom to do that here. It
is
> against the law and against school rules *everywhere* in the USA to take
> weapons in the school. Most schools have zero tolerance. She would get
in
> major trouble, probably expelled, if she got caught with a blade in the
> school. Even if someone in the school found out she was just talking
about
> it on the Internet, she could get suspended for that. It has happened a
lot
> lately with the copycats after the California school killing.
>
> I agree the USA has a problem with too many weapons, but I think in Europe

> people have a stereotype and think we are all aggressive and we all go
around
> armed to the teeth here. That is exaggerated. Most of us don't go around
> armed and we are against it. We think adults should have the *right* but
I
> think most of us also believe and act on it, that we also have the
> responsibility not to use the right stupidly.
>
> >And if you kiil one of them and are so unfortunate as to be black, you
can be
> >pretty sure you will be sentenced to that capital punishment.
>
> It is true black people are more likely to get the death penalty than
white
> people, but of all murder convictions, only a small percent get the death
> penalty. Women hardly ever get the death penalty, so really it is pretty
> sure she would not get sentenced to death. This is another stereotype in
> Europe I think, that we just hand out the death penalty constantly. They
put
> to death a lot of people in Texas, but most other places they don't. FWIW
I
> am personally against capital punishment. We don't have capitol
punishment
> in the District of Columbia and some other places in the USA. I wish we
> would get rid of it everywhere because it makes the whole society into
> killers. It is not even practical because some juries will refuse to
convict
> of the maximum crime knowing there is the death penalty, so people who are

> dangerous get convicted only of some lesser offense and go free to commit
> more crimes. Also it costs too much too keep these people on death row
and
> getting appeals forever, and there are mistakes with innocent people
> convicted. It is better to lock them up where they can't do any harm and
try
> to at least give them some useful work to do. Then if it turns out there
is
> proof it was a conviction of the wrong person, at least the government can

> let them go, better late than never. But i is true that taking the knife
to
> school and then using it would mean severe punishment. Even if she didn't

> kill somebody it could ruin her life.
>
> >Violence never is a solution....
>
> I totally agree with you about that.
>
> Cass Hill
>
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