Klarinet Archive - Posting 000130.txt from 2001/03
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Subj: [kl] [1]klarinet Digest 5 Mar 2001 21:15:01 -0000 Issue 2937
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:19:16 -0500
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klarinet Digest 5 Mar 2001 21:15:01 -0000 Issue 2937
Topics (messages 41862 through 41879):
Careers
41862 by: webler <webler@-----.net>
41869 by: Sherry Katz <slkatz@-----.com>
41873 by: GrabnerWG@-----.com
41874 by: Mark Charette <charette@-----.org>
41876 by: Spencer Quong <squong@-----.com>
41877 by: Neil Leupold <leupold_1@-----.com>
Bending bass clarinet neck may not the best solution.
41863 by: Bill Hausmann <bhausmann1@-----.com>
41868 by: JMarioneau@-----.com
41871 by: GrabnerWG@-----.com
making a CD
41864 by: Bob and Deborah Shaw <theshaws@-----.com>
41866 by: "Tony Wakefield" <tony-wakefield@-----.net>
Buffet R14 A serial numbers
41865 by: fsheim@-----.com
"Bending" bass clarinet necks
41867 by: "Dave Spiegelthal" <Spiegelthal.Dave@-----.COM>
Extra characters in Ken's posting.
41870 by: Tom Wood <n4cid@-----.net>
41872 by: Mark Charette <charette@-----.org>
Jazz mouthpiece
41875 by: "Clark W Fobes" <reedman@-----.com>
Bending bass clarinet neck
41878 by: Mark Thiel <thielm@-----.com>
Chicago Area Player Seeks Players for Fun
41879 by: "burt3" <burt3@-----.com>
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 07:07:13 -0500
From: webler <webler@-----.net>
Subject: RE: [kl] Careers
Message-ID: <01C0A542.EFD03C40.webler@-----.net>
I tried unsubscribing last night but received the confirmation back as =
undeliverable mail. I'll try again this morning.
Just wanted to respond to this one letter, however. My background is in =
Lasers and Electronics. With my last company, Bio-Rad, I worked on =
research equipment such as, Confocal Laser Scanning Microscopes. Prior to =
that I worked for an Ophthalmic company, Humprhey Instruments, and =
serviced =
Lasers used for Post Cataract and Retinal Surgery. This also included =
Ultrasound devises for measuring the length of the Eye for Cataract =
Surgery, and other equipment used on diagnoses of Glaucoma. I also have =
computer and a small amount of network experience.
I left my last field because of extensive traveling, 4 to 5 days per week, =
and no sign of relief. At the age of 48, it's probably a little late for =
me to embark on being a Lawyer or Doctor. Something will come up. Hey, =
there's always Amway. (chuckle)
Thanks for the inquiry,
Jay
-----Original Message-----
From: Gavin Rebetzke [SMTP:GRebetzke@-----.au]
Subject: RE: [kl] Careers
Chuckie,
I was once faced with such a dilemma. You haven't mentioned if you like
doing anything else, or if you are interested in any other calling. Doing
music would no doubt be an enjoyable experience at university. It may not
necessarily lead to a full time career (except for teaching), if that is
what you're after. Think about it - there are 2 or 3 clarinet jobs per
orchestra. Those jobs don't come up every day, and competition is fierce.
The good news is you can keep playing and studying music whilst doing a
different course, and ultimately career. I chose law. At the same time I
took lessons and did my best to keep up with my contemporaries who were
studying music full time. I am now a partner in a law firm and play
clarinet in a community orchestra that plays fantastic repertoire, as well
as doing various pit orchestra gigs. I personally know doctors (of =
various
specialties), a veterinarian surgeon, accountant, and a police officer who
are all excellent orchestral musicians. I know there are a number of =
other
lawyers on this list, some of whom are extremely knowledgeable about the
clarinet.
So the good news is that if you do decide to study something else at
university, you do not have to give up clarinet.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuckie [mailto:errant@-----.net]
Subject: [kl] Careers
Hello,
I'm in high school right now, and I'm trying to figure out what career
choice to take. I love music, but I'm not sure if it'll be a good choice
as something to study in university. Can anyone give me some advice?
Thanks!
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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 07:50:07 -0800
From: Sherry Katz <slkatz@-----.com>
Subject: Re: [kl] Careers
Message-ID: <B6C8F5AF.2B579%slkatz@-----.com>
I went to law school and for many years I was a partner in a law firm - =
now
I'm working inside a company as its General Counsel.
When I was in high school, even in college I thought that business was a
boring subject and wouldn't be something that would be that would interest
me. As an adult I have found that the business world is infinitely variabl=
e
and exciting, and that the process and functions of business are
intellectually challenging. I also spent a while working as a computer
systems consultant because I have also found that I have a pretty good
talent for computers and engineering - but I found that when I did it as a
job my passion for it was draining. A lot of musicians do seem to be
talented with computers though and it certainly offers a better path to a
living than music.
I'm very glad that I'm not a professional musician. It's a tough life =
with
a lot of struggle for the few positions that pay even reasonably decently.
The struggle of it can take a lot of the fun and joy out of it. Instead, =
I
can come home from whatever hassles I've faced to make my living in the =
day,
pick up my instrument and transport myself somewhere far from those
problems. I play and have played locally with a rehearsal band (swing) =
and
sometimes a community band. I also play with small groups of friends and =
by
myself. It never has the taint or pressure of being something I "must" do.=
on 3/4/01 11:17 PM, Gavin Rebetzke at GRebetzke@-----.au wrote:
> Chuckie,
> I was once faced with such a dilemma. . . .
> So the good news is that if you do decide to study something else at
> university, you do not have to give up clarinet.
> =
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuckie [mailto:errant@-----.net]
> Sent: Sunday, 4 March 2001 11:54 AM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: [kl] Careers
> =
> =
> Hello,
> I'm in high school right now, and I'm trying to figure out what career
> choice to take. I love music, but I'm not sure if it'll be a good =
choice
> as something to study in university. Can anyone give me some advice?
> =
> Thanks!
> =
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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 11:19:01 EST
From: GrabnerWG@-----.com
Subject: Re: [kl] Careers
Message-ID: <af.7e65c7c.27d51675@-----.com>
Sherry Katz says <<I'm very glad that I'm not a professional musician. It'=
s a tough life with
a lot of struggle for the few positions that pay even reasonably decently.
The struggle of it can take a lot of the fun and joy out of it. Instead, =
I
can come home from whatever hassles I've faced to make my living in the =
day,
pick up my instrument and transport myself somewhere far from those
problems. I play and have played locally with a rehearsal band (swing) =
and
sometimes a community band. I also play with small groups of friends and =
by
myself. It never has the taint or pressure of being something I "must" do.=
>>
Ya know, Sherry, you make a lot of sense. I dropped out of a "music" career=
about 1980. Too much stress, no money.....and too many POPS concerts, too =
many kiddy WW5 concerts, maybe 50 plus per season, (with pay for ONE =
rehearsal), etc. etc.
I have had a wonderful biz career, have travelled all over North America, =
have friends in many countries, have enjoyed San Francisco, Montreal, New =
Orleans, Quebec, Mexico City, New York City...on company expenses.
And I get to play great music when I want to.
After my kid is through college (meaning after college is PAID for), I'll =
ease back into a musically centered lifestyle. I'll do my mouthpieces, =
repairs, restorations, etc. Putter around in my workshop, play gigs that I =
want to play. Anyway, thats my plan.
Walter
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:52:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Mark Charette <charette@-----.org>
Subject: Re: [kl] Careers
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103051151180.10716-100000@-----.org>
On Mon, 5 Mar 2001 GrabnerWG@-----.com wrote:
> Ya know, Sherry, you make a lot of sense. I dropped out of a "music" =
career about 1980. Too much stress, no money...
Just like being a teacher ...
Mark C.
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:57:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Spencer Quong <squong@-----.com>
Cc: errant@-----.net
Subject: RE: [kl] Careers
Message-ID: <20010305175706.25475.qmail@-----.com>
Hello Chuckie,
Gavin certainly has a good point. There are plenty of
opportunities to play in community orchestras, chamber
groups, etc. which I have been doing for 10 years. =
Also, making a major orchestra is about as hard as
winning the lottery, so many musicians end up doing
freelance work, such as weddings, Xmas parties, etc
which is not what they envisioned when they decided to
study music (many of them hate it).
However, I am at the crossroads a second time and will
be soon leaving a career in engineering to follow
music. I have reached a point where I need to
dedicate more time to music to have a chance of making
the better groups and to fulfill my passion for music.
(By "better groups", I'm talking about trying to make
a minor orchestra or freelance work). I will be
doing some IT (computer support) work to pay the
bills, but in 2-3 years I hope to transition at least
part time into music. =
So there's another way of looking at music. You could
go study music at college, but take some courses that
help provide you another option in case you decide
that performance is not your passion. There are also
numerous non-performing opportunities related to
music, such as education, music engineering, music
production, music business, etc. =
IMHO, you want to be happy in life. If playing every
day is your passion and you're willing to struggle on
the career and money front, then go for it. However,
if you would like a stable career and playing part
time is enough, then you might want to consider other
options. If you choose the latter, then just remember
that if you put down the horn for a significant amount
of time, it's extremely hard to pick it up again. =
What ever path you choose, you can always change your
mind in college or 10 years later. :-)
-Spencer
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:17:48 +1000 =
From: Gavin Rebetzke <GRebetzke@-----.au>
Subject: RE: [kl] Careers
Chuckie,
I was once faced with such a dilemma. You haven't
mentioned if you like doing anything else, or if you
are interested in any other calling. Doing
music would no doubt be an enjoyable experience at
university. It may not necessarily lead to a full
time career (except for teaching), if that is
what you're after. Think about it - there are 2 or 3
clarinet jobs per orchestra. Those jobs don't come up
every day, and competition is fierce. =
The good news is you can keep playing and studying
music whilst doing a different course, and ultimately
career. I chose law. At the same time I
took lessons and did my best to keep up with my
contemporaries who were studying music full time. I
am now a partner in a law firm and play clarinet in a
community orchestra that plays fantastic repertoire,
as well as doing various pit orchestra gigs. I
personally know doctors (of various specialties), a
veterinarian surgeon, accountant, and a police officer
who are all excellent orchestral musicians. I know
there are a number of other lawyers on this list, some
of whom are extremely knowledgeable about the
clarinet. =
So the good news is that if you do decide to study
something else at university, you do not have to give
up clarinet. =
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuckie [mailto:errant@-----.net]
Subject: [kl] Careers
Hello,
I'm in high school right now, and I'm trying to figure
out what career
choice to take. I love music, but I'm not sure if
it'll be a good =
choice
as something to study in university. Can anyone give
me some advice?
Thanks!
Do You Yahoo!?
Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. =
http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 10:34:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Neil Leupold <leupold_1@-----.com>
Subject: Re: [kl] Careers
Message-ID: <20010305183418.11082.qmail@-----.com>
--- Sherry Katz <slkatz@-----.com> wrote:
> When I was in high school, even in college I thought that business was =
> a boring subject and wouldn't be something that would be that would in-
> terest me. As an adult I have found that the business world is infin-
> itely variable and exciting, and that the process and functions of bus-
> iness are intellectually challenging. =
I echo the comments above, however....
> A lot of musicians do seem to be talented with computers though and =
> it certainly offers a better path to a living than music.
...I don't fit the stereotype of the musician with natural
spatial and math talents, which is frustrating, because I =
wish I did. 'Ironic, since I'm about to become Project Di-
rector for an accounting software company.
> I'm very glad that I'm not a professional musician. It's a tough life =
with
> a lot of struggle for the few positions that pay even reasonably =
decently.
> The struggle of it can take a lot of the fun and joy out of it. =
But "the struggle of it" is also what makes it so rewarding. Whether
it's "worth it" really depends on the person. Maintaining artistic =
integrity, navigating political eddies, managing the business aspects =
-- I crave the entire package, passionately, and I may die in the pur-
suit without ever achieving it. I live for the process, so I am al-
ready successful, simply for being engaged. It's a glorious existence
and I have never been happier. Being a successful musician can be as =
variable and exciting as any business process or function. Much like =
in business or any other endeavor, the level of your fulfillment is =
related to how deeply you commit yourself.
> Instead, I can come home from whatever hassles I've faced to make my =
> living in the day
I imagine if you had a choice, you would rather not deal with the
hassles to which you refer. If they were musical instead of busi-
ness related, would you feel differently about them? I think I =
would.
> I play and have played locally with a rehearsal band (swing) and =
> sometimes a community band. I also play with small groups of friends =
> and by myself. It never has the taint or pressure of being something =
> I "must" do.
Does your day job have this taint/pressure? The difference for me is
that the pressure to pursue music comes from within instead of extern-
ally. Being a musician, constantly in pursuit of greater excellence =
and success, is something I "must" do, viscerally. I left a very good =
MBA program, and sacrificed the likelihood of earning $100K+ per year, =
precisely because I could not live or function without a significant =
opportunity to be musical. The day job is necessary, of course, and
thankfully I also find stimulation in business processes. But every
spare moment and brain cell beyond the job is dedicated to moving for-
ward and developing myself as a musician.
Perhaps our young high school friend, on the cusp of his college =
decision, feels passionately this way as well.
-- Neil
Do You Yahoo!?
Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. =
http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 07:18:19 -0500
From: Bill Hausmann <bhausmann1@-----.com>
Subject: Re: [kl] Bending bass clarinet neck may not the best solution.
At 12:55 AM 3/5/2001 -0500, Alvin Swiney wrote:
>I don't think that neck bending is the best solution to correcting the
>mouthpiece angle. Not only can that procedure crease or kink the wall =
tubing
>but shape of the round metal tubing can be distorted and made oval.
>Acoustically the flattening of the bass clarinet neck can be a real =
nightmare
>for pitch. For dimensional changes in the Bass Clarinet neck are as =
critical
>as dimensional changes in the soprano Clarinet barrel.
> I watched Hans Moennig address this same problem for the bass =
Clarinet
>player of the Chicago Symphony in 1978. Instead of bending the neck =
tubing,
>Mr. Moennig merely change the angle of the metal mouthpiece socket in
>relationship to the neck tube.
This appears to be what you get when you buy a Selmer USA (formerly Bundy) =
bass clarinet with the "new" style neck. I guess if it is good enough for =
Hans Moennig...
Bill Hausmann bhausmann1@-----.com
451 Old Orchard Drive http://homepages.go.com/~zoot14/zoot14.=
html
Essexville, MI 48732 ICQ UIN 4862265
If you have to mic a saxophone, the rest of the band is TOO LOUD!
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:44:21 EST
From: JMarioneau@-----.com
Subject: Re: [kl] Bending bass clarinet neck may not the best solution.
Message-ID: <cf.3203084.27d50045@-----.com>
On the neck I had done back in the 70's I think that's what Charles Bay =
did. =
James Marioneaux
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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 10:49:20 EST
From: GrabnerWG@-----.com
Subject: Re: [kl] Bending bass clarinet neck may not the best solution.
Message-ID: <b7.bf9762d.27d50f80@-----.com>
Alvin....
You are worth your weight in gold!
Walter
P.S. Now, do I have the guts to do this to my very own bass clarinet? Sure,=
what the hey.
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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 07:11:03 -0600
From: Bob and Deborah Shaw <theshaws@-----.com>
Subject: Re: [kl] making a CD
Message-ID: <3AA39067.9D0CC4D1@-----.com>
I am located in Northwest Arkansas
David Renaud wrote:
> Where are you loacted?
>
> Bob and Deborah Shaw wrote:
>
> > I am considering making a CD of christian music(many people at my =
church
> > have asked for a recording) and would appreciate any suggestions for =
how
> > to go about it. I have already had a good recording studio suggested
> > and have repertoire and a pianist.
> >
> > Also, I am interested in contracting someone to write some =
arrangements
> > for me. What is the going rate for arrangements?
> >
> > Deborah
>
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 13:50:49 -0000
From: "Tony Wakefield" <tony-wakefield@-----.net>
Subject: Re: [kl] making a CD
Message-ID: <001301c0a57b$5ccbe280$ae42063e=net>
As stated, brain/stamina/planning are the paramount requisites.
PLUS MONEY.
If you are looking for original (as opposed to printed arrangements) then
try to find an arranger who you know has a track record. And who will also
be able to play the piano accompaniments, (which he will have written) on
the recordings. That way, you may be also able to use him as a producer as
well. I have found from experience that even with excellent musicians
(singers), one does not always end up with a high quality recording unless
someone knows how to co-ordinate and edit the different "takes". A =
producer
can enthuse the whole "bunch" into "action" when required, because
invariably with amateurs, there will be moments of boredom during the day`=
s
recording whilst sound engineers are at work testing and altering mike
positions etc. Then suddenly you will find that you`ve got to turn on the
full "works" and "give your all".
There will be editing also, after the recording, to some degree. So the =
more
pennies you`ve got, the more chance you have of coming out the other end
with a successfully recorded CD.
Make sure you are FULLY rehearsed BEFORE entering the studio doors.
Best wishes,
Tony W.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob and Deborah Shaw" <theshaws@-----.com>
Subject: [kl] making a CD
> I am considering making a CD of christian music(many people at my church
> have asked for a recording) and would appreciate any suggestions for how
> to go about it. I have already had a good recording studio suggested
> and have repertoire and a pianist.
>
> Also, I am interested in contracting someone to write some arrangements
> for me. What is the going rate for arrangements?
>
> Deborah
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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 08:28:08 -0500
From: fsheim@-----.com
Subject: Re: [kl] Buffet R14 A serial numbers
I'm just guessing, but the year of manufacture for BOTH my Bb and A
clarinets are correct with respect to the chart, suggesting to me that the
chart is for A and smaller instruments.
Fred
areAt 08:27 PM 3/4/01 -0600, you wrote:
>From: "Gary Van Cott" <gary@-----.com>
>
>> I is my understanding that Buffet runs one set of serial numbers on its
>> soprano (and smaller) instruments and another on its harmony clarinets.
>If
>> this is correct, the list you are referring to would include A =
clarinets
>> and everything smaller (Bb, C, D, and Eb).
>
>It's also my understanding. A and higher are one set of serial numbers.
>
>
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:29:15 -0500
From: "Dave Spiegelthal" <Spiegelthal.Dave@-----.COM>
Subject: Re: "Bending" bass clarinet necks
Message-ID: <85256A06.005024C1.00@-----.com>
I perform this service, but by cutting and re-soldering, not by bending. =
A few
folks out there have bass clarinets with my re-angled necks on them. If =
anyone
is interested I can fax you the method (I've sketched it out on one sheet =
of
paper), or I can do it for $150.
Dave Spiegelthal
Calverton, VA
spiegelthal.dave@-----.com
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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 11:15:35 -0500
From: Tom Wood <n4cid@-----.net>
Subject: Extra characters in Ken's posting.
Message-ID: <3AA3BBA7.418FF19B@-----.net>
Mark, why did I get so many extra, (nonsensical), characters in Ken
Shaw's posting about sight reading?
i.e. @-----. ??
I am using NS 4.72..
Tom W
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:29:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Mark Charette <charette@-----.org>
Subject: Re: [kl] Extra characters in Ken's posting.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103051125490.5582-100000@-----.org>
On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Tom Wood wrote:
> Mark, why did I get so many extra, (nonsensical), characters in Ken
> Shaw's posting about sight reading?
>
> i.e. @-----. ??
>
> I am using NS 4.72..
Your mail reader doesn't interpret extended codes in different character =
sets
It's a REAL problem nowadays when there's so many disparate mail clients - =
not everyone uses the same character code sets, and a cut & paste of a =
word processing document into a mail message, even though it looks fine to =
the sender, will result in a number of those codes being sent.
Mark C.
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:10:09 -0800
From: "Clark W Fobes" <reedman@-----.com>
Subject: Jazz mouthpiece
Message-ID: <002401c0a597$23be6960$831efea9=computer>
After being asked to make a "Jazz" mouthpiece for many years, I finally =
gave
in and took a shot at it. Not being a jazz player myself I consulted =
several
players who are good jazz, klezmer, ethnic and Dixieland players.
What most of these players were looking for was a mouthpiece that would =
play
loud, but retain control in softer passage too. All of them wanted a great
deal of flexibilty, meaning the ability to bend the pitch and make
glissandi. And I wanted to produce a mouthpiece that maintained good =
tuning
ratios.
The "Jazz" model I am producing now has an open tip, but not as open as =
one
might imagine. (1.20mm with my gauge) and a slightly longer than normal
facing. (19mm).
I have left the baffle relatively high and this gives the mouthpiece its
punch and flexibilty.
I would certainly not use this mouthpiece in and orchestral setting, but =
it
is not so far off normal that one could not easily switch back to one of =
my
more more conventional facings.
Even though I am no "jazzer" I love jazz and I really enjoy making these
mouthpieces, especially when I hear great players play them.
Clark W Fobes
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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 13:36:49 -0600
From: Mark Thiel <thielm@-----.com>
Subject: Bending bass clarinet neck
Message-ID: <3AA3EAD0.39B4EDC2@-----.com>
Walter Grabner wrote:
>Has anyone body out there (in never-never-land) had the neck piece of
their
>bass bent?
. . .
Bent, no, I've been told (by knowledgable repairman) that bending is not
very practical because of the thickness of tubing. The factory
bending is done by filling the tube with soft metal and uses jigs and
presses of the "don't try this at home" level of sophistication.
However, neck modification has been discussed on the Bass Clarinet list,
which now lives on yahoo. I have files describing a modification
done to the neck of my Bundy BC at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bass-clarinet/files/bundy_neck_mod/
You probably need to register with Yahoo to get there, probably
starting from: http://groups.yahoo.com/ If Walter
or anyone else would like to see this and you d
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