Klarinet Archive - Posting 000596.txt from 2001/01
From: Gavin Rebetzke <GRebetzke@-----.au>
Subj: RE: [kl] Lelia and the list
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:39:33 -0500
Isn't this a bit contradictory? You say Lelia meant to paint a similarity
between Hitler and Bush, but no public apology is required because you only
said Lelia said Hitler and Bush were similar privately to three persons in
writing.
I must say that my reading of Lelia's original post accords with that of
Tony Pay's. The reference to Hitler was only to make another point. In any
case, is it not quite clear from Lelia's Usenet post that she did not intend
to say Hitler and Bush are similar, and indeed that she is very offended by
the suggestion that she would say such a thing? Whilst one might observe
that Lelia has overreacted somewhat, one can certainly understand
sensibilities about such a matter. Surely it would not hurt for an apology
and correction to be offered to be sent to the persons to whom the statement
was made. What seems trivial and inconsequential to one person can be
greatly offensive to another.
I guess it's really none of my business, but then again, this discussion is
being carried out in a very public way.
Gavin.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Charette [mailto:charette@-----.org]
Cc: LeliaLoban@-----.com
Subject: Re: [kl] Lelia and the list
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Tony Pay wrote:
> Lelia did mention, at different points in her original post to the
> Clarinet Forum, both the persons she is alleged to have said to be
> similar. But examination of what she wrote shows quite clearly that she
> did not say that they are similar -- she mentioned the second of them
> only to make quite another point -- even though they obviously do
> exhibit trivial similarities, such as that they are both men and both
> leaders, for example.
I respect Lelia's writing skill, and I truly believe that the juxtaposition
of the her paragraphs and the discussion of small vote margins was not
unintentional, but my opinion on this was not why Lelia left the list or the
BBoard; no mention of my feelings on this were communicated to Lelia at
first. She objected to a very short email I sent after I read and deleted
the completely off-topic posting on the BBoard. I had not deleted any
politically oriented postings prior to this, since they were just one or two
liners throwing darts at both sides. After an exchange of emails I decided
to ban all political comments on the BBoard since it could easily get out of
hand yet again.
> Though I am particularly saddened by Lelia's departure from the Klarinet
> list, I am even more saddened, and very surprised, that Mark either
> cannot see, or is unwilling to acknowledge, the point. Whether or not
> you disagree with her political opinions or her expression of them,
> Lelia is an honourable person, and she has been wronged in this, even
> though that wrong may be invisible to those here who have only her word
> that it occurred.
Considering that the messages stating my opinion were sent in three
_personal_ emails, I feel that no public apology is warranted. Those who
forwarded my personal email to other parties should not have done so. Those
three parties could easily have asked Lelia for a copy of her posting and
made up their own minds.
Mark C.
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