Klarinet Archive - Posting 001348.txt from 2000/12

From: stewart kiritz <kiritz@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Wagner vs. Straus (was Wlach a Nazi)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:50:43 -0500

From: Stewart Kiritz

I appreciate your understanding, and certainly no offense taken. These are
loaded subjects (obviously) and emotions run high. Pleasure to communicate
with you!

Stewart Kiritz

----- Original Message -----
From: "DAVID S. NADEN" <dnaden@-----.edu>
Subject: RE: [kl] Wagner vs. Straus (was Wlach a Nazi)

> Stewart-
>
> I agree. This is a list about clarinet-related topics and music. I
avoided
> most of the posts that you referred to, but some-such as yours-I felt
needed
> a response.
> It is obvious that feelings on this issue run the entire range, and it
seem
> seems that the old adage of not discussing sex, politics and religion does
> indeed hold true.
> As you have deducted, I too have strong feelings on the subject in
general,
> and one of my strongest posts was sent privately (not to you).
>
> If any offense was taken, I do apologize, and from here on, let's stick to
> topics for which this list was created.
>
> David S. Naden
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stewart kiritz [mailto:kiritz@-----.net]
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 01:52 PM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Wagner vs. Straus (was Wlach a Nazi)
>
> To: David S. Naden,
>
> I've decided that this exchange which started fairly innocently has become
a
> flame war. I'm going to stick to discussing music, the clarinet,
technique,
> reeds, etc. Please don't be offended if I don't continue the dialogue
about
> Wlach, Nazis, anti-semites, etc. Needless to say, I could go on about
these
> issues but I can see it is not a productive direction.
>
> Take care,
>
> Stewart Kiritz
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DAVID S. NADEN" <dnaden@-----.edu>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 10:39 AM
> Subject: RE: [kl] Wagner vs. Straus (was Wlach a Nazi)
>
>
> > Stewart-
> >
> > Your post in essence states that not only did most Germans know what was
> > happening to the Jews, but seriously implies that all Germans were
Nazis.
> > As I stated in another post, and Dee stated differently, being
> anti-semetic
> > is NOT the same as being a Nazi. One point that you-and many others
fail
> to
> > consider is that Nazi Germany was a country run on fear. No one knew
who
> to
> > trust or not, and yes, that made many Germans--who were NOT Nazis-guilty
> > of inaction.
> >
> > David S. Naden
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stewart kiritz [mailto:kiritz@-----.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 08:21 PM
> > To: klarinet@-----.org
> > Subject: Re: [kl] Wagner vs. Straus (was Wlach a Nazi)
> >
> > Dan,
> >
> > You may be right about Strauss. I do know that he was appointed
> > "Reichsmusikkammer" when the Nazis came to power and was criticized for
> not
> > using his position as "court composer" to do anything about the complete
> > exclusion of Jewish performers from the symphony orchestras by the
> > authorities. But my main point had to do with the "merely anti-semitic
> but
> > not a Nazi" issue regarding Wlach.
> >
> > Stewart Kiritz
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Daniel Leeson" <leeson0@-----.net>
> > To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 6:27 PM
> > Subject: [kl] Wagner vs. Straus (was Wlach a Nazi)
> >
> >
> > > Stewart Krintz suggests that Richard Strauss was antisemitic. I'd
like
> > > to defend Strauss. He was politically naive, about as stupid as one
can
> > > get in terms of his ability to deal with complicated politics, but his
> > > antisemitism is very doubtful. He may not have been a philosemite,
but
> > > he was not a rabid racist or a Jew hater. Wagner, of course, is a
> > > completely different animal, but Strauss was relatively benign.
> > > --
> > > ***************************
> > > ** Dan Leeson **
> > > ** leeson0@-----.net **
> > > ***************************
> > >
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