Klarinet Archive - Posting 001346.txt from 2000/12

From: stewart kiritz <kiritz@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Wagner vs. Straus (was Wlach a Nazi)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:50:41 -0500

I've decided that this exchange which started fairly innocently has become a
flame war. I'm going to stick to discussing music, the clarinet, technique,
reeds, etc. Please don't be offended if I don't continue the dialogue about
Wlach, Nazis, anti-semites, etc. Needless to say, I could go on about these
issues but I can see it is not a productive direction.

Take care,

Stewart Kiritz
----- Original Message -----
From: "DAVID S. NADEN" <dnaden@-----.edu>
Subject: RE: [kl] Wagner vs. Straus (was Wlach a Nazi)

> Stewart-
>
> Your post in essence states that not only did most Germans know what was
> happening to the Jews, but seriously implies that all Germans were Nazis.
> As I stated in another post, and Dee stated differently, being
anti-semetic
> is NOT the same as being a Nazi. One point that you-and many others fail
to
> consider is that Nazi Germany was a country run on fear. No one knew who
to
> trust or not, and yes, that made many Germans--who were NOT Nazis-guilty
> of inaction.
>
> David S. Naden
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stewart kiritz [mailto:kiritz@-----.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 08:21 PM
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Wagner vs. Straus (was Wlach a Nazi)
>
> Dan,
>
> You may be right about Strauss. I do know that he was appointed
> "Reichsmusikkammer" when the Nazis came to power and was criticized for
not
> using his position as "court composer" to do anything about the complete
> exclusion of Jewish performers from the symphony orchestras by the
> authorities. But my main point had to do with the "merely anti-semitic
but
> not a Nazi" issue regarding Wlach.
>
> Stewart Kiritz
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Leeson" <leeson0@-----.net>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 6:27 PM
> Subject: [kl] Wagner vs. Straus (was Wlach a Nazi)
>
>
> > Stewart Krintz suggests that Richard Strauss was antisemitic. I'd like
> > to defend Strauss. He was politically naive, about as stupid as one can
> > get in terms of his ability to deal with complicated politics, but his
> > antisemitism is very doubtful. He may not have been a philosemite, but
> > he was not a rabid racist or a Jew hater. Wagner, of course, is a
> > completely different animal, but Strauss was relatively benign.
> > --
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> > ** Dan Leeson **
> > ** leeson0@-----.net **
> > ***************************
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