Klarinet Archive - Posting 001315.txt from 2000/12

From: "cpaok@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Wagner vs. Straus (was Wlach a Nazi)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:26:29 -0500

Surely you jest? You wish to compare underwear content & Nazi behavior?

Please save your expensive words. Those who were Nazis & Anti-Semitic had a
common bond which was a single thread --- HATE. Give your explanations &
rationalizations for the 6 million & their survivors.

You are welcome to rationalize Strauss' (or other musician's behavior) in
whatever manner suits you. However, I am _NOT_ swallowing any of it.

Condemnation by association ... ABSOLUTELY!
mark weinstein

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Leeson" <leeson0@-----.net>
Subject: Re: [kl] Wagner vs. Straus (was Wlach a Nazi)

> First, I would value it if you signed your notes because I have no way
> to understand with whom I am communicating on this issue. Please give
> us your full name.
>
> Second, when it comes to speaking about this subject, the main thing
> that counts is exactotitde. One cannot smear a whole nation with the
> single paint brush of Nazi-ism. There were whole ranges of intent and
> involvement with Strauss very low on the totum pole and others, such as
> Carl Orff very high. And if we do not distinguish these people when we
> speak about the issues involved, then we are not distinguishing their
> crimes and the quasi-innocent get swept along in punishment with the
> very guilty.
>
> Strauss was a self-centered and very stupid man who went along with
> everything because not to do so would have hurt his career. The fact is
> also that he took great personal risks to protect his Jewish
> daughter-in-law. All in all, the most one can say about Strauss was
> that he was a naif. Personally I think it important that we reserve our
> distaste for those who truly, by their actions over a long period of
> time, deserve the opprobrium. Wagner was such a pig. Strauss was not.
> If the Nazi philosophy had been to never wear silk underwear, he would
> have gone along with that too. He would have gone alone with anything
> that would permit another performance of Rosenkavalier.
>
> "cpaok@-----.net" wrote:
> >
> > *WHY* do we wish to distinguish between the *HATE* of anti-semitism and
Nazi
> > Germany ? To what end will we cease trying to be politically correct?
> > Semantics be damned.
> >
> > AND that Strauss so closely associated with himself with the Nazi regime
of
> > WW2 leaves us in no position to excuse him as being politically
> > "feebleminded".
> >
> > The _enormity_ of the Holocaust rises above all these trivial
explanations &
> > excuses.
> >
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