Klarinet Archive - Posting 001291.txt from 2000/12

From: stewart kiritz <kiritz@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Re: Wlach the Nazi?
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:23:42 -0500

Dee,

It is now well-established that, despite post-war propaganda to the
contrary, most Germans knew roughly what was going on in Germany and
occupied countries with the Jews. I can provide references if you are
interested. Therefore, being anti-semitic and being a German during the
period of time in question raises some concerns in my mind when someone is
characterized as "merely anti-semitic" yet not a Nazi. Yes, there is a
semantic distinction, but not one that in mind would be very significant
when it speaks to issues of moral culpability. Truthfully, it doesn't have
any impact on my assessment of Wlach as a musician. Wagner and Strauss who
were far greater musicians, though distinctly anti-semitic. I don't reject
them as musicians. But I think you can see how someone might be offended by
the expression "merely anti-semitic."

Stewart Kiritz

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dee D. Hays" <deehays@-----.net>
Subject: Re: [kl] Re: Wlach the Nazi?

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Allen J. Levin" <alevin@-----.net>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 12:05 PM
> Subject: RE: [kl] Re: Wlach the Nazi?
>
>
> > I'm having trouble with the semantics of this thread. Wlach's conduct
was
> > reprehensible. Calling him "merely" anti-semitic rather than a Nazi is
> > some sick attempt to justify it.
> >
>
> No it is an attempt at accuracy. It is very simple. Although both are
> reprensible, they differ in philosophy and and the implementation of
their
> philosophies..
>
> Nazis are an organized group with a defined program. Nazis hate Jews,
> gypsies, blacks and EVERYONE that doesn't fit their definition. In
> addition, the Nazi creed is to take action to purge the race of all such
> groups.
>
> Anti-semites hate Jews. They are not organized although some belong to
> anti-semitic organizations. There is not a creed to purge the race of the
> Jewish people although some belong to groups that espouse such creeds. It
> is quite possible for a person to be anti-semitic but to detest
> discrimination and pograms against the Jewish people on the basis that
> discrimination and pograms are simply wrong to begin with.
>
> All cats are carnivores but not all carnivores are cats. All Nazis are
> anti-semites but not all anti-semites are Nazis. Since they are
different,
> the approach to dealing with them must be different.
>
>
> Dee Hays
>
>
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