Klarinet Archive - Posting 000715.txt from 2000/12

From: Sterkel Terrance-W15462 <T.Sterkel@-----.com>
Subj: [kl] WebTV junk
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:37:23 -0500

I suspected that the differences in experiences had to do with the e-mail
clients, so I skipped the client.
I looked at the "raw" messages, and you are right, WebTV, followed
closely by AOL(sigh) have the most header/footer junk. As an internet
person of over 15 years, I note that most of this has to caused by someone
at WebTV and AOL not reading the last 7 years of MIME standards.

Why am I not bothered in my reading? I use the much-maligned MS
Outlook at work and at home. It happily clips obsolete header junk.
not the easiest mail Client, but it is free with many MS packages.
Otherwise, I would be using Eudora Pro.

did this enlighten? or just confuse?
best wishes,
terry

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Terry Sterkel, P.E.
Motorola Personal Communications Sector
mailto:t.sterkel@-----.com
+1 732 878 8662, fax +1 732 878 8001

: -----Original Message-----
: From: George Kidder [mailto:gkidder@-----.org]
: Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:16 AM
: To: klarinet@-----.org
: Subject: Re: [kl] What do WebTV messages loo like to you?
:
:
: A lot of that stuff is what Eudora calls "Blah blah blah", and can be
: removed on the receive end by setting the button of the same
: name. It's
: still there, just you don't see it. Your problem may be
: different, however.
:
: At 17:12 12/12/2000 -0500, you wrote:
: >I wrote:
: >>Web-TV users could do us all a favor, too, by finding out whether
: >>there's a way to turn off all the web-tv crap loaded onto those
: >>messages....
: >
: >Bill Wright wrote,
: >>>Your statement about extra stuff loaded onto WebTV messages catches
: >>>me by surprise, Lelia. I'm on WebTV, and I don't see
: anything extra
: >>>from my end. Could you describe it for me?
: >
: >Bill, there's no problem with *your* messages. Yours only
: have the normal
: >klarinet header. Here's an example of the problem from
: someone else's
: >posting, with the content of the message itself snipped out:
: >
: >>Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:06:13 -0700 (MST)
: >>To: klarinet@-----.org
: >>From: AnneLenoir@-----.net (Anne Lenoir)
: >>Subject: Re: [kl] Scales?
: >>Message-ID: <7686-3A2FB575-1882@-----.net>
: >>
: >>--WebTV-Mail-19132-1008
: >>Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII
: >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit
: >>
: >
: > [Lelia snips message content.]
: >
: >>--WebTV-Mail-19132-1008
: >>Content-Disposition: Inline
: >>Content-Type: Message/RFC822
: >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit
: >>
: >>Received: from smtpin-101-8.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.42) by
: >> storefull-283.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Thu, 7 Dec 2000
: >> 01:52:22 -0800 (PST)
: >>Received: by smtpin-101-8.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix)
: id 343A211F; Thu,
: >> 7 Dec 2000 01:52:22 -0800 (PST)
: >>Delivered-To: annelenoir@-----.net
: >>Received: from mail.sneezy.org (mail.sneezy.org [207.252.168.40]) by
: >> smtpin-101-8.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with SMTP
: id 51E4A153
: >> for <AnneLenoir@-----.net>; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 01:52:21 -0800 (PST)
: >>Received: (qmail 9260 invoked by alias); 7 Dec 2000 09:52:14 -0000
: >>Mailing-List: contact klarinet-help@-----.org; run by ezmlm
: >>Precedence: bulk
: >>Reply-To: klarinet@-----.org
: >>List-Unsubscribe:
: ><mailto:klarinet-unsubscribe-AnneLenoir@-----.org>
: >>Delivered-To: mailing list klarinet@-----.org
: >>Received: (qmail 9249 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2000
: 09:52:14 -0000
: >>Message-ID: <007801c06033$6399db40$a260ff3e=x>
: >>From: "andy.mich" <andy.mich@-----.com>
: >>To: <klarinet@-----.org>
: >>References: <20001207055348.2813.qmail@-----.com>
: >>Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:52:06 -0000
: >>Organization:
: >>MIME-Version: 1.0
: >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
: >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
: >>X-Priority: 3
: >>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
: >>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
: >>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
: >>Subject: [kl] Scales?
: >
: >[Lelia snips the quotation of the entire message to which
: Anne Lenoir was
: >replying.]
: >
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: >>--WebTV-Mail-19132-1008--
: >
: >
: >My apologies to the list for re-sending all that stuff.
: That's an awful
: >amount of routing information, and it's *all* from *one*
: message, not from a
: >series of them. I don't know why this junk appears in some
: people's messages
: >and not in yours, Bill, but maybe you could give lessons to
: other people in
: >how to set up a reader-friendly web-tv e-mail format!
: >
: >Lelia
: >
: >
: >
: >
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