Klarinet Archive - Posting 000902.txt from 2000/11

From: "Tony Wakefield" <tony-wakefield@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] klarinet Digest 27 Nov 2000 21:15:00 -0000 Issue 2713
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:26:19 -0500

----- Original Message -----
From: <LeliaLoban@-----.com>

> Re. my recent objection to blue language on the list, Tony Pay wrote,
>
> >OK, Lelia.
> >
> >I'm sorry.
>
> Thank you for the gracious answer.

> Tony W. says, "OK Lelia, Tony Pay has apologised to you. He hasn`t done so
to the list, nor to
Neil Leupold, which I believe he should do. He has in fact disappeared
again. There was no excuse for his exceptionally cutting rudeness to Neil."
A "prank" too far.

> That was his entire answer, by the way -- straightforward and unambiguous,
> IMHO. It's impossible for me to read anything arrogant or otherwise
> objectionable into it.

T. W. says, "Are you confusing the posts Lelia - I am talking about T. P.`s
reply to Neil of the 25th, which went
> Neil said, "the" - [snip] Tony. (P) (signing off)".

> Let's see if I can keep the Tonys straight here.... I hope Tony Wakefield
> will reconsider the extraordinary anger of his reaction, which went way
> beyond questioning the use of a particular word and instead attacked Tony
> Pay's character in general. To his all-caps screamer of a harangue
> yesterday,

T.W. says, "Yes Lelia, I <will> reconsider, but T. P. must apologise to the
list first, and also to Neil. I take issue with your claim that I attacked
T.P.`s character. T.P. attacked both our characters in the first place by
his sourly
clever "snips". It`s uncalled for, and I repeat that in a strong yet calm
tone". He should not do it.

> Tony Wakefield added, in the same message
> >>I apologise to the list for this outburst
>
> I think that most of us sometimes say things we regret, but it seems to me
> that when someone is uneasy enough about a diatribe to accompany it with
an
> apology *in the same message,* as Tony Wakefield just did, then that's a
clue
> that it would be better not to hit <send> just yet. Better to "sleep on
it"
> first, and reconsider the tone, if not the content.

T.W. says, "I had the self discipline 4 - 5 months ago, and "slept on it"
when T.P. was engaged in unpleasantness with other listers. To me, he has
re-emerged as being the same abusive person. I have no wish to "sleep on it"
any longer. If he is abusive to listers, then I intend to tell him, or
anybody - - - I`m surprised Mark Charette hasn`t".

>
> Tony Pay does assert his opinions strongly, but maybe it's worth stepping
> back for a minute and considering that he's not *posing* as an expert on
the
> clarinet. He *is* an expert. Anyone not aware of his qualifications to
give
> opinions might go to the GMN Artists site,
>
> http://www.gmn.com/artists/artists.asp?venue=0&aid=1009

T.W. says, "I wish to be part of an amicable clarinet list. No other person
on this list has given me the impression that (s)he is posing. Why should
even an expert "get away" with ridicule & contempt, inflicted upon believe
it or not, his fellow clarinettists`. To me, that smacks of favouritism,
even "fearful awe".
His views <have> been valued, but I can certainly live without them, as I
enjoy other contributions just as much.
I`m the first to admit I do not possess the amount of intellect which he
does, but if that intellect manifests itself
in an unacceptable way, someone has to make an effort to let that person
know. That happened 4 - 5 months ago, and here we are still trying, and it
is me who is being criticised by some. I don`t care if he can play 3
clarinets all at the same time standing on his head. - (If he could, he
would probably be earning more than at present) - he is still "out of
order". Let`s hope that "big boot" the other day has thrust him closer to
his mirror,
to see if he can really take a better look at himself. Then I will toe the
line and cool it".
Best,
Tony Wakefield.

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