Klarinet Archive - Posting 000552.txt from 2000/11

From: Tony@-----.uk (Tony Pay)
Subj: Re: [kl] Writing seven triplets
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 20:23:17 -0500

On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 00:27:18 +0100, notestaff@-----.de said:

> Tony Pay wrote:
>
> > - snip -
> >
> > Depending on the music, a nicer solution that occurred to me after
> > posting is to write all 7 notes beamed together, under three brackets:
> >
> > 7 ___________________
> > | | | | | | |
> > x x x x x x x
> > 6
> > |_ 3_ | |_ 3_ |
> > |__ 3__ |
> >
> >
> > 7
> > 7
> > ... or for the 'Hindemith-style' time signature, instead of .
> > |
> > | 6
> > x
> > _ 3 _|
> >
> >
> > That may not come out properly represented if you use 'sophisticated'
> > software, of course.
> >
> > Sorry about that:-)
>
> Tony, sorry to ask this dumb question. Aren't you making it
> unnecessarily complicated? What's the difference between the above and
> writing seven eighth notes over the entire bar with a bracket and a 7
> above it?

But then the speed of the 7 notes would be very different. The whole
bar length in your version would be eight eighth notes, ie 4 quarters;
in my version it would be 7/3 quarters @-----.

Perhaps you meant 7 in the time of 4: that would be 2 quarters, as
opposed to two and a third quarters.

> Or alternatively, wouldn't it be easier/clearer to use space notation
> and indicate the time in seconds? Your second idea would increase the
> speed of the eights unless one made a note that the bar was to take
> longer.

I thought that was the point -- namely that the bar was to contain 7
notes at the speed of the previous triplets.

For that to work, everyone in the group -- is it a group? -- would have
to have that bar notated in that way, even if they had nothing to play,
so that they knew when the next bar began. That often happens in
contemporary music.

But I notice that Bill has posted subsequently about 'getting back on
the beat', as though there's an independent rhythm, like drums, say,
going on. Whereas I thought that he wanted to redefine the next 'beat'
as the beginning of the subsequent bar.

If he didn't want that, then I misunderstood, and have nothing further
to say.

Tony
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