Klarinet Archive - Posting 000065.txt from 2000/10

From: stewart kiritz <kiritz@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Flames
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:28:35 -0400

Regarding flaming, I was once a participant in a fine forum that lasted for
several years on Compuserve. Then we had an episode of flaming that became
increasingly vitriolic. They finally closed down the forum as a result of
the flame wars. So I am both amused and disturbed when I see flaming taking
place among otherwise civilized people here -- disturbed because of what the
consequences could be; and amused by how the medium (email) somehow
predictably brings out both the best and the worst in people's
personalities. I sincerely hope that those participating in the flame
battles take a step back, take a deep breath (it will help your long tone
production) and drop out of the fray until a calmer mood prevails.

Stewart Kiritz

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Black" <clarinet1@-----.uk>
Subject: [kl] Flames

> You know, it's been a time since we had a good old flame-war on klarinet,
and (despite the fact that
> it is somewhat refreshing to note that Dan Leeson is not featured this
time) it is not good
> "netiquette", and does nothing to further the debate on music and
clarinet-related issues which we
> all subscribed to contribute to and benefit from.
>
> In the past, I have benefited greatly from the wisdom of Messrs. Garrett,
Leupold, Pay and the many
> others who regularly contribute to this discussion. Please do not spoil it
for me (and the other
> subscribers - I'm not alone) by having the discussion deteriorate into the
puerile, egotistical,
> downright confrontational, and (most importantly) non-musical slanging
match which it became of
> late.
>
> Can I also say particularly to those who hold respected positions either
as players or teachers,
> that you very probably inspire some of the contributors and lurkers on
this list with your abilities
> and reputations. There are young children who subscribe here - is this
_really_ the image which you
> want to portray of professionalism in music? I'm not trying to suggest
that everyone should agree
> with everyone else about everything - that would make the list incredibly
boring. Instead, please
> make your points (about music - nay clarinet - related issues) without
resorting to playground-style
> behaviour. But if you feel that you must hurl the insults (however
erudite), do it off-list, or find
> another forum. Need I point out that Kevin Fay opted out of this flame-war
particularly early on -
> in my view the best way to deal with it. Other people have jumped in to
fan the flames, ignoring the
> rest of us and our pleas for it to be allowed to die.
>
> Tony W. asked (in trying to bring the discussion back to clarinet music)
what was the most difficult
> piece ... of clarinet writing ever. Perhaps we could turn our attention to
this? The closest I can
> get is the Messager (Solo de Concours), and yet I've made light work of
(supposedly) more difficult
> pieces. Part of the third movement of the Mozart is made unnecessarily
difficult if you follow some
> editors in playing bars (measures) 311-313 over the break. I've commented
on the relative merits of
> how to take the passage down the octave and more aligned to the pitch of
the original Stadler
> clarinet in a previous post.
>
> Come on guys, talk about music and quit the one-upmanship.
>
> Ian
>
>
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