Klarinet Archive - Posting 000465.txt from 2000/09

From: Roger Shilcock <roger.shilcock@-----.uk>
Subj: Re: [kl] Beginning and ending on the tonic
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:02:05 -0400

I've played Nielsen 1, and it certainly doesn't *sound* as if it begins in
C....
Roger S.

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Michael Bryant wrote:

> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:16:39 +0100
> From: Michael Bryant <michael@-----.uk>
> Reply-To: klarinet@-----.org
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Beginning and ending on the tonic
>
> Aren't I wicked?! Absolutely and relatively. Sorry folks.
>
> The juxtaposition of the keys of Eb and A is interesting in
> Il Sogno di Scipione K 126 1772
> Lucia Silla K 135 1772
> La Finta Giardiniera K 196 1774
> Il Re pastore K 208 1775
> Zaiede K 344 1780
> Idomeneo K 366 1781
> Die Entfuehrung... K 384 1782
> L'Oca del Cairo K 422 1783
> La Clemeza di Tito K 621 1791
>
> Handel is another case
> Sosarme begins in A ends in F
> Joshua begins in Bb ends in D
>
> Carl Nielsen's Symphonies
> #1 begins in C ends in C
> #2 begins in Bm ends in A major
> #3 begins in Am ends in A major
> #4 begins in A (?) ends in E
> #5 begins in Am ends in Eb
> #6 begins in G ends in Bb
>
> Hindemith
> Mathis der Mahler (suite)
> begins in G ends in Db
>
> Mahler
> 2nd Symphony
> Begins in Cm ends in Eb
> 7th Symphony
> Begins in Bm (?) ends in C
>
> (?)= ambiguous
>
> MB
>
> Daniel Leeson quite rightly wrote/13 September 2000 15:44/Beginning and
> ending on the tonic
>
>
> >FOUL, Michael!!! (which is quite different from FOUL Michael!!!): Both
> >L'Oca del Cairo and Lo sposo deluso are fragmentary operas that were
> >never completed and, therefore, cannot even be considered for a
> >beginning/ending key analysis. How do you know what key he would have
> >ended the pieces in had he finished them, and how do you know that the
> >extant scenes would have been the first ones had he finished them?
> >
> >Michael Bryant wrote:
> >>
> >> Three operas by Mozart do not close
> >> tonally, where they begin: They are:
> >> Apollo et Hyacinthus K 38 1766
> >> Mozart was 10; probably not
> >> structurally or historically significant.
> >> L'Oca del Cairo K 422 1783
> >> Lo Sposo Deluso K 430 1783
> >>
> >> MB
> >
> >--
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