Klarinet Archive - Posting 000646.txt from 2000/08

From: Tony@-----.uk (Tony Pay)
Subj: Re: [kl] Correcting each other
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:55:56 -0400

On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:35:40 -0400, bhausmann1@-----.com said:

> At 11:40 PM 8/21/2000 +0100, Tony Pay wrote:

> > If you had been clear about the subject, you would have pointed out
> > where I was wrong, and not have involved stretch tuning at all.
> >
> > Or, if you had wanted to include a discussion of stretch tuning, you
> > would have explained it properly: that is, as a way to make piano
> > octaves pure, not as a way to deal with collaborating instruments
> > like clarinets.
> >
> > As it was, you took my erroneous statement, and used it as the basis
> > of a fallacious explanation of why piano tuners use stretch tuning.
> > And you had me *believing* you, for a bit.
> >
> > Even then, I'm not trying to *blame* you. It's just that both of us
> > got ourselves confused, you no less than me; and the truth is that
> > we're *all* responsible for giving a clear overview of the subject
> > when we get to the end of the discussion.
> >
> > That's what I want you to see.
>
> I think I follow you.

Thanks, Bill.

> But just to close out the discussion of stretch tuning, I did some
> experimentation today with my chromatic tuner and the KR-575. With
> the stretch tuning OFF, notes matched up well on the tuner all the way
> up the scale. With stretch tuning ON, by the top octave the piano was
> about 20 cents sharp relative to the tuner. As you can see, it is not
> a huge difference, but enough to cause a PERCEPTION of slight flatness
> if playing a two or three octave spread without the stretch. If you
> really want to hear something that stands your ear on end, though, you
> should try the "Arabic" tuning -- VERY, VERY flat thirds and sevenths,
> among other things!

So indeed, you were right, and stretch tuning *is* defeatable on that
machine.

Well I never!-)

Tony
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