Klarinet Archive - Posting 000461.txt from 2000/08

From: Roger Shilcock <roger.shilcock@-----.uk>
Subj: Re: [kl] Unloading.....
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 04:20:21 -0400

Tony P.,
In that case, I think you should explain what you mean by "overtones",
given that all wind instruments don't sound the same.
Roger S.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Tony Pay wrote:

> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:10:31 +0100
> From: Tony Pay <Tony@-----.uk>
> Reply-To: klarinet@-----.org
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Unloading.....
>
> On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:11:25 -0400, bhausmann1@-----.com said:
>
> > At 09:53 AM 8/16/2000 +0100, Tony Pay wrote:
> >
> > >On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:17:02 -0400, bhausmann1@-----.com said:
> > >
> > > > Obviously synthesized sound is, I believe, so obvious because of
> > > > the lack of richness of overtones, and, I suspect, the
> > > > "in-tuneness" of those overtones (that and inaccuracy of attack).
> > >
> > > The 'buzzy' sound of a tuning machine is very rich in in-tune
> > > overtones.
> > >
> > I probably should have been more clear. I meant, as separate
> > elements, the lack of overtones and the fact that those that are there
> > are perfectly in tune, being mathematically generated.
>
> Ah. I misunderstood you. You meant that synthesised sounds seem
> unnatural to us, in part because the overtones are perfectly in tune.
>
> But -- this has come up here a few times -- *all* driven oscillations,
> even 'natural' ones like wind instruments and organs, have perfectly in
> tune overtones, because the oscillations that constitute them are
> perfectly periodic. This is a mathematical fact for which I posted a
> sort of intuitive justification last year:
>
> http://www.sneezy.org/Databases/Logs/1999/01/000080.txt
>
> Pianos don't, of course, which is what this discussion has been about.
>
> But actually, pianos are rather well synthesised, compared with other
> instruments.
>
> You're right about the 'attack' question, of course.
>
> Tony
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