Klarinet Archive - Posting 000414.txt from 2000/08

From: "James L Cook" <JamesLCook@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] Unloading.....
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:07:00 -0400

Tony,

Where and when was the organ built?

>From An Introduction to Historical Tunings by Kyle Gann
(http://home.earthlink.net/~kgann/histune.html):

[Meantone tuning] ... survived in pockets of resistance, especially in the
tuning of English organs. all the way through the 19th century.

JLC

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Pay <Tony@-----.uk>
Date: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 16:54
Subject: Re: [kl] Unloading.....

>On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:08:21 EDT, LeliaLoban@-----.com said:
>
>> In the process of answering my question about flat-sounding top tones
>> on cheap little pianos, you've explained why I drive myself nuts when
>> I try to play my clarinet on pitch along with accompaniment I play and
>> then save (home-grown MM1) on my Yamaha Clavinova keyboard. Sometimes
>> when there's a problem, I hear the illusion that my clarinet is right
>> and the piano is wrong, even though I know that digital piano *can't*
>> go out of tune unless I deliberately raise or lower the programmable
>> pitch. Thanks for the explanation.
>
>Thinking about this again, I'm not so sure that the two phenomena are
>connected. Is a clavinova anharmonic?
>
>I've noticed that I tend to assign 'rightness' to a piano rather than to
>myself, even if I suspect the piano may be out of tune, and even on
>occasions when subsequent investigation shows it indeed to have been out
>of tune. I suppose that's a psychological effect. Perhaps there's a
>similar psychological effect in the opposite direction with an obviously
>'synthesised' sound.
>
>There's another experience I've had that's influencing me to take this
>line: if you listen to an organ, which is usually tuned to equal
>temperament, playing a simple major chord, and then make the mental
>shift of imagining that that chord is instead being produced by an
>orchestral wind section, it suddenly sounds much more 'out of tune'.
>
>This indicates to me the possibility that there's some mechanism that
>chooses one note, or one instrument, as a standard against which to
>judge others, and that several factors may be operating in that choice.
>
>Can you perhaps unpack the experience "I hear the illusion that my
>clarinet is right and the piano is wrong" for us a little more?
>
>Tony
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