Klarinet Archive - Posting 000933.txt from 2000/07

From: Roger Shilcock <roger.shilcock@-----.uk>
Subj: Re: [kl] Serialism
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 04:36:54 -0400

I think this argument has some force, but the composer still has
choice. The framework within s/he exercises it has changed, however.
Roger S>

On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Andrea Bergamin wrote:

> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 01:05:36 +0200
> From: Andrea Bergamin <a.bergamin@-----.it>
> Reply-To: klarinet@-----.org
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Serialism
>
> Serialism is a way to control "some" aspect of the composition.
>
> Generally speaking, you can organize pitches, rhythms, dynamics, timbres...
> in a sort of matrix.
> Dodecaphony or "twelve note composition" involves only pitches.
> You have to take 12 notes enclosed in an octave with none of them omitted or
> used twice, in an orders called series or row.
>
> For example... Webern's String Quartet op.28...
>
> the row is : sib la do si re# mi do# re solb fa lab sol (the beginning (sib
> la do si) is the name BACH)...
>
> There are 12 notes, no repetition and no omission.
>
> This is the ORIGINAL row (or "basic set" as it's called in the USA). You can
> read it reversed (from right to the left) and you have the RETROGADE.
> Then you can invert it (ascending intervals in the original become
> equivalent descending intervals and vice versa) for the INVERSION and revert
> it to obtain the RETROGADE INVERTED.
>
> You can have 4 row of 12 notes multiplied for 12 transposition and you have
> 144 rows.
> The total number of possible twelve-note series is 479,001,600 but each
> composer designs the series he uses to each individual composition.
>
> as exercise... take the row I've written above and built the RI beginning
> with sib then the R and the I beginning with sol and you will discover one
> of the secrets of this particular series. (there are 2 secrets left...)
>
> ---
>
> I agree with Sean. Serialism is a failure because the esthetical background
> is changed.
>
> With the series music became a mathematical or statistical problem: you have
> to define a matrix and the score will be just a writing exercise.
> It is some sort of neo-medieval concept of art and artist role.
> The composer refuses his own conceptual and creative power and this is the
> emancipation of music. Music doesn't need the composer and, more deeply,
> music doesn't need the man.
>
> This need MANY messages... I hope you has understand my english.
>
> CIAO
>
>
> > Da: Bilwright@-----.net (William Wright)
> > Risposta: klarinet@-----.org
> > Data: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:01:54 -0700 (PDT)
> > A: klarinet@-----.org
> > Oggetto: Re: [kl] Serialism
> >
> > <><> Sean Osborn wrote:
> > Serialism is when you apply the row of 12 to other aspects of the music,
> > including any or all of the following: register, dynamic, orchestration,
> > duration, accents, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > What is "row of 12"?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bill
> >
> >
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