Klarinet Archive - Posting 000838.txt from 2000/06

From: Roger Shilcock <roger.shilcock@-----.uk>
Subj: Re: [kl] Proposal for oboe fingering
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 03:56:20 -0400

According to Anthony Baines et al., it was actually a redesign and had
bigger holes - and, no doubt, other fundamental modifications. The Boehm
oboe has also been alleged to have caught on up to
a point in Spain. Does anyone have better info. on this?
Roger S.

On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Dee D. Hays wrote:

> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:01:35 -0400
> From: Dee D. Hays <deehays@-----.net>
> Reply-To: klarinet@-----.org
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Proposal for oboe fingering
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Edwin V. Lacy" <el2@-----.edu>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 4:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [kl] Proposal for oboe fingering
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>
> > On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Stan Elias wrote:
> >
> > > I think I remember reading about someone who came up with a Boehm-like
> > > fingering system for the oboe to make it easier for saxophone players
> > > to make the transition. At the same time there were tiny single-reed
> > > oboe mouthpieces. As I remember, the entire project was scrapped
> > > because the intonation of the resulting hybrid was terrible.
> >
> > I believe you are correct on both counts. The Boehm-system oboe has been
> > tried a few times in the 19th century, but abandoned because of one rather
> > significant problem - it didn't sound like an oboe. Also, the single reed
> > mouthpieces for both oboe and bassoon came quite a bit later. I first
> > heard of them back in the early 1950's, and was under the impression that
> > it was a new idea at that time. I was surprised to learn a few years ago
> > that the person who marketed them, and who possibly invented them, Santy
> > Runyon, was still alive and still selling them. Again, while intonation
> > was certainly a problem, the main objection of many people to them was
> > that they no longer sounded like the same instruments.
> >
>
> Could you elaborate a bit more? On the surface, it does not make sense that
> changing the fingering system would make an oboe sound not like an oboe.
> Perhaps there were some other design flaws? Afterall regardless of the
> choice of which holes would be covered by fingers and which by pads and
> which by levers, the actual hole placement and size has to be a function of
> the note desired.
>
> Dee Hays
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