Klarinet Archive - Posting 000830.txt from 2000/05

From: Roger Shilcock <roger.shilcock@-----.uk>
Subj: Re: [kl] Tone -- a neurological approach
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 06:36:41 -0400

Sorry - I don't think it proves anything. It has not been demonstrated,
either, that teachers have been either agreeing on this or disagreeing -
and only a skeletal form of agreement would serve.
I don't disagree with Dan much, in fact (who am I to do that, anyway?),
but I do think he goes too far.
Going back to the expeeriment, there could well have been analoguous
responses if the audiences had been asked whether the players had played
the music well.
Roger S.

On Thu, 18 May 2000, Bill Hausmann wrote:

> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 06:14:55 -0400
> From: Bill Hausmann <bhausman@-----.com>
> Reply-To: klarinet@-----.org
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Tone -- a neurological approach
>
> At 08:49 AM 5/18/2000 +0100, Roger Shilcock wrote:
> >
> >2 quick points:
> >1) What's to stop the student asking the teacher what he/she means by a
> >"dark sound"? It may actually be demonstrable;
> >2) It's quite difficult to remember the various qualities of a number of
> >essentially similar sonic episodes in succession. It's hardly suprising
> >that the audiences proved to be suggestible when asked to compare them.
> >
> The nearest thing to "suggestibility" I see in the experiment is that the
> listeners were led to believe there actually ARE defineable characteristics
> such as "dark" and "bright," although they were given no clue at all as to
> what they meant, and were not allowed to compare their ideas with what
> OTHERS might think they meant. Clearly, THEY knew what they THOUGHT the
> terms meant, and so did the players. The complete LACK OF AGREEMENT on
> what they meant is what proves Dan's point.
>
> A teacher can demonstrate what he/she considers a dark sound, but that will
> not necessarily correlate at all with what some OTHER teacher will think is
> dark. The term will have meaning only within that first student-teacher
> relationship.
>
>
>
> Bill Hausmann bhausman@-----.com
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>
> If you have to mic a saxophone, the rest of the band is too loud.
>
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