Klarinet Archive - Posting 001037.txt from 2000/04

From: alevin@-----. Levin)
Subj: Re: [kl] Carmina Burana
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:00:53 -0400

Before you condemn yourself to purgatory listen to current "teen rock"
lyrics - not to mention rap. If still not convinced, spend an evening with
MTV.

Vocal music has always been about sex, power and religion - as often
together as apart. Who are we to question it after thousands of years?

Allen

At 10:41 PM 4/21/00 -0400, you wrote:
>!Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:00:59 -0700
>!To: "'klarinet@-----.org>
>!From: "Kevin Fay (LCA)" <kevinfay@-----.com>
>!Subject: RE: [kl] Carmina Burana
>!Message-ID: <2DCBFADAFCBBD21189D400805F6FA1AB0D02A0FE=RED-MSG-12>
>!
>!Cindy Herel asked re CB:
>!
>!<<<I want it all: Thoughts, anecdotes, web sites, etc. I'm in the mood
>for
>!a fun and intelligent thread. (If I've missed a previous discussion, just
>!give me something new.)>>>
>!
>!Musings--
>!
>!My lovely wife is a serious convert to the Cult of Orff. She spent some
>!years as an elementary music educator, incorporating much of his program.
>!Consequently, my garage is booby-trapped with all manner of hand percussion
>!instruments, loose xylophone bars and a general compendium of kid stuff.
>!
>!I can accept that Mr. Orff was a pedagogical giant. I wish, though, that
>he
>!didn't take it out on *me* by writing this overbearing, played-to-death,
>!pinnacle of tediocrity potboiler. I could live to a ripe old age never
>!playing it again -- and be happy.
>!
>!I'm not so sure that I like the thought of Carl Orff around kids. Have you
>!ever read the translation of the poems? They goes something like this:
>!
>!-- "I'm a young virgin, and oh-so-horny. Do Me!" (Apologies to those
>!sensitive members of the list, but this is in fact not far off the mark).
>!
>!-- I'm a goose. I'm cooking. It hurts.
>!
>!-- I'm a drunk old cleric. Let's drink.
>!
>!-- We're in the tavern, and like to drink. Let's drink. And drink. And
>!drink. And drink.
>!
>!-- My spirit is strong, but that young hunk is soooo cute!
>!
>!Just because the filthy parts are in Latin doesn't me it ain't porn. You
>!have to expose children to it, moreover, because it's scored for a
>!children's choir as part of the cast of thousands.
>!
>!I once played a set of CB in a Baptist church. Without a doubt, I get
>!another 1,000 years in Purgatory for that one.
>!
>!Final question/thought -- why is everything repeated 3 times?
>!
>!kjf
>
>First, If you even attempted to play any of the Trionfo (which is the actual
>title of the opus that Carmina Burana belongs to, which also includes the
>Catulli Carmina (which is even more pornographic that the Carmina Burana.
>The few recordings of it that I know of won't even print a translation, for
>fear of being sued.) and Trionfo d'Aphordite (don't even ask)) in a Baptist
>Church (especially in the Southern Baptist Convention), you should expect to
>be lynched, and comdemmed to hell for eternity!
>
>Second, most of the text aren't exactly ancient. Orff did some extensive
>modification of the texts to make them more palatable to the public.
>
>Third, if you think Orff's settings are obscene, you should get your hands
>on the old Musical Heritage Society recordings of the original Carmina
>Burana by the Clemencic Consort. Those recordings (it was on 4 seperate
>LP's) will scare the living bejesus out of anyone!
>
>Finally, Carmina Burana was a clean breakaway from what Orff was composing
>before then. I managed to get my hands on a recording of his Oedipus when I
>was an undergraduate student in Music History. The orchestra was all
>percussion, and the text was all done in sprachstimme, with very little
>inflection of voice. (Needless to say, I couldn't stand to listen to it.)
>
>Also, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Go to a bar
>sometine and see if the athosphere has changed since medevil times.
>
>Randy
>and the hellhounds of 5th Ave.
>
>
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