Klarinet Archive - Posting 000932.txt from 2000/03

From: Shouryu Nohe <jnohe@-----.edu>
Subj: Re: [kl] New member with Buffet quality question
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:55:23 -0500

On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Richard Bush wrote:

> Shouryu,
>
> You're off base and out of line.

How am I off base?

Someone wanted to know why certain clarinets cracked. I offered a
POSSIBLE EXPLANATION.

How am I out of line?

I never stated that WWBW was a horrible firm; I presented you with
information that I DID ACTUALLY HAVE concerning cracked clarinets, and
then gave a theory given to me. I even stated that it was a theory; any
one who reads it otherwise isn't paying attention.

I never said WWBW was evil or accused them of attempting to swindle - I
mentioned that it was something someone had suggested to me, and that I
THOUGHT IT WASN'T LIKELY - shall we go over the post again?

All you other fanatics who are gathering wood to burn me at the stake, you
go ahead and read this too.

> Shouryu Nohe wrote:
> > Now suddenly I'm not surprised...I think the case here may NOT be a
> > problem with Buffet clarinets, but with WW&BW

Hmmm, I used the word 'may.' Now tell me, Mr. Bush, why would I use the
word 'may?' Maybe because I'm not the retard and bastard you want to make
me look like, because I know that what I'm about to post is not a fact,
but a possibility?

Let's go on, shall we?

> > Weiner's. Perhaps it helps that my preferred choices are primarily owned
> > by clarinet techs...

'Perhaps?' Gee, there's another one of those special words that kind of
gives away that I myself know that what is about to be said isn't set in
stone.

> > In any case, I have encountered three players in my area who have
> > purchased clarinets from WWBW that have cracked, two being Buffets, one
> > being a Selmer 10 series. Yet I know more people who have purchased from
> > Muncy who have never had a problem (although I should exclude three of
> > them, including myself; we bought Greenlines).

Now, THIS IS FACT. Does this INCRIMINATE anyone? NO. It simply tells
you where I'm coming from. It's certainly NOT enough evidence to call up
WWBW and tell them to go to hell, but it's enough to make this individual
a little wary. Any person with half a brain will know that this is just a
tiny slice of the pie of clarinet commerce, especially since it's
centralized mostly within one state and a border town anyways. We all
have half a brain here, don't we?

> > I live in a very dry climate, for the most part, that, during key weeks in
> > the year, goes through a very drastic change, for perhaps only a few
> > weeks. This usually occurs in the mid Summer and mid fall, when for
> > three or four days, it will pour on and off rather suddenly and
> > drastically.

Yet another fact, again, to let you know where I'm coming from. Again, I
think that anyone with half a brain would know that this sort of statement
kind of ALTERS things, because now we've entered another factor that has
additional effect, and probably cancels out the theory that I presented.
But I guess that one slipped by you. Next time I'll highlight and notate
my posts just for you.

> > Most of my friends do not oil or 'protect' their instruments with the
> > exception of in-case humidifiers. The only instruments that I know of
> > cracking have either come from a local store (well...actually one in El
> > Paso) or WW/BW.

Fact, but a mostly tainted sample, as I pointed out above. I'm telling
you what I KNOW, and what might be POSSIBLE.

> > A friend who plays an Opus does occasionally find his
> > tenon rings loosening, and his keys with lots of play, so he's constantly
> > sending it in for adjustment...I -THINK- he purchased from WWBW as well,
> > but I'm not sure. But he doesn't use a humidifier, either. (He also
> > marches with the thing...don't try...we've all warned him numerous times.)
> >
> > One of the unlucky WWBW customers (who is no longer a student here) had a
> > theory that in places like NM or AZ, WWBW probably sends their lower
> > quality clarinets since the climate is so lousy anyway, so there is no
> > hope either way. I don't know if its true or not; my best guess is simply
> > that WWBW operates on a larger scale than Phil Muncy or Fred Weiner, and
> > therefore doesn't select their instruements as meticulously.

Now, remember, that's HIS theory. You wanna shoot me? What, for telling
you his theory? So, if a cop comes to your house to report that your car
was egged in the night, and he thinks he knows who did it, you're gonna
chew his ass off? Yeah, that makes sense.

I never said WWBW sells lousy clarinets, I said someone I KNEW thought it
was a possibility. Then I presented MY theory down below.

> Your "theory" is nothing more than unfounded speculation.

I know this - It's still a POSSIBILITY, nevertheless, which means it's
still valid in this discussion. It may or may not be likely, but it's
still a possibility, one that I have a) made abundantly clear that it is
hardly certain and 2) clarified that it is NOT my personal belief that
WWBB purposely does this, but someone else's, in hopes that someone would
simply correct me instead of pissing all over me like...mmm, I don't want
to point fingers.

> > Does some of the fault still lie with Buffet? I dunno.
>
> You said a mouthful when you said, "I dunno."

Well DUH. Yet another one of those SPECIAL words that means 'take this
post with a grain of salt.'

> I think you're spouting off and beating your chest.

And here I thought I was giving information along with possible
explanations and variants that could have affect on said POSSIBLE
explanations. Silly me!

> Try beating your head for a while.

Oh, that's mature. ANd I thought _I_ was the youth with the mouth here.

> Maybe, in time you'll beat some sense into it.

Maybe I'll just stop presenting possible ideas, since it's liable to get
the shit kicked out of me, that's really what you want to say, isn't it?
At least Mr. Fay responded tactfully - granted, my posted was hardly
scientific, but I presented it as possiblities and as tactfully as I
possibly could, and now it seems my name is Damian, and I'm in league with
Satan. Of course, that gives you the right to debunk anything I say; I
wouldn't have posted the ideas and possiblities otherwise. But I suppose
we also reserve the right to debunk ideas all the whilst making a person
feel like a retard. Maybe I'll stop thinking altogether - forget the
beating my head bit, Richard, it's useless. You obviously know that I'm a
big damned idiot, so you know my head's worthless. Here's an idea, I
won't use it. In fact, I invite you to fly down to NM and remove it for
everyone's convenience. No, really, please. I have a webcam; once you're
done, you can hold it up, or stick it on my pool cue, and take a picture,
and then send it to all Klarinet members, showing what a wonderful person
you are.

> > I'd like to think
> > 'no', because I know that Muncy tends to pick the jewels of the bunch, and
> > so those of us who purchase get good instruments for certain.

Gee...is this ANOTHER one of those statements that kind of reads out 'I
don't really think that what I'm saying is true?' Hmm? Oh, I guess not,
it was written by Shouryu, the retard. He believes everything he writes,
no matter if he uses words like "may" "perhaps" and "I'd like to think
no".

> > Lotus Esprit will tell you...or a DeLorean), and there is most likely a
> > natural bell curve within ALL manufacturing processes that produces a few

Most likely? "MOST LIKELY?" Is this...yeah...it sure is!

> > serious lemons, a few serious perfections, a large number of fine
> > products, and then an amount that falls in between fine/lemon and
> > fine/perfect. (Unless, again, you are purchasing a DeLemoian...er,
> > DeLorean.) A lot that decides what you get from that bell curve is where
> > you go to purchase the product.

Oh, damn...I didn't add one of those special phrases to that last
sentence...

> > At least, that's my theory.

Oh! There it is!

You could have been just a little more tactful in your reply Mr. Bush; I
never presented said theories as FACTS, which leaves teh door open for
honest and clear critiques of said possiblities. I didn't leave said door
open for you to hang me by the neck and set my corpse on fire. Kevin Fay
and Nancy Buckman didn't like what I thought might be plausible either,
but they were a lot more graceful about it.

J. Shouryu Nohe
http://web.nmsu.edu/~jnohe
Professor of SCSM102, New Mexico State Univ.
"I don't know, and I don't have an opinion." - Jet Black

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