Klarinet Archive - Posting 000788.txt from 2000/03

From: bob and deborah shaw <theshaws@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] Wagner/Publishers
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:33:00 -0500

I thank everyone who has put me straight about the Adagio. I feel rather silly
that I did not know who the true composer of the piece was. What is really
interesting is the fact that the printed says Wagner, and I heard it played on
NPR. During that broadcast, some months ago, the announcer made references to
only solo clarinet work written by Wagner. This certainly has been an
interesting revelation for me and I welcome any other information that can shed
light on the piece.
Thanks especially to Jonathon Cohler for his program notes. By the way,
Cohler on clarinet is one of 2 recordings that I don't have of yours Jonathon!

Thanks again, Deborah

"Dr. Laroy Borchert" wrote:

> I place much of the blame, not on students who believe what they read on the
> cover of the music, but on the publishers who, after close to 40 years,
> still knowingly publish the piece with Wagner's name listed as the
> composer.
>
> Dr. Laroy Borchert
> Professor of Clarinet
> Music Department
> New Mexico State Univeristy
> Las Cruces, NM 88003
> (505) 646-3735 (office)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jonathan Cohler <cohler@-----.net>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 6:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [kl] Wagner
>
> > It's amazing how long the mis-information on this piece has persisted and
> > been passed along. I remember seeing a performance of this work with
> > Harold Wright about fifteen years ago, which was already a good fifty
> years
> > after it was known that the work is by Heinrich Joseph Bärmann. Here are
> > the program notes from my recording "Cohler on Clarinet" (Ongaku 024-101 -
> > http://www.ongaku-records.com/ ). I hope these are helpful:
> >
> > ----------------
> > Jonathan Cohler
> >
> >
> > Adagio from Quintet in No. 3 in E-flat Major, Op. 23 (1820-1821)
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > This piece has been a victim of musicological negligence for more than 160
> > years! Bärmann was the famous clarinetist for whom Weber wrote most of
> his
> > clarinet music. Unfortunately for Bärmann, Weber wrote his last clarinet
> > piece in 1816 (the Grand Duo Concertant on this recording), and Bärmann
> > still needed fresh pieces for his concerts. This Adagio is the slow
> > movement from one of three clarinet quintets for clarinet and string
> > quartet that Bärmann himself composed between 1820 and 1821.
> >
> > Shortly after Bärmann's death, the music to this piece seems to have
> > disappeared. In 1926, the slow movement was discovered, but the copy had
> > no name on it. For some strange reason, musicologists and the publishers
> > decided to attribute this work to Richard Wagner, one of the later great
> > Romantic composers. If you are willing to forget that it sounds nothing
> > like Wagner, and that Wagner wrote no solo works for the clarinet, then
> > this attribution might be reasonable. Otherwise, it is quite a leap of
> > faith.
> >
> > Interestingly, in the earlier part of this century, some musicologists
> > discovered the error, but the attribution continued until as recently as
> > ten or fifteen years ago. Fortunately, the entire quintet has been
> > properly rediscovered and it is published by Musica Rara.
> >
> >
> >
> > At 4:37 AM -0500 3/24/0, Roger Shilcock wrote:
> > >This could be because it's not by Wagner. It's by one of the Baermanns -
> > >Heinrich, I think - and comes from a chamber music piece; I don't have
> any
> > >sources of info. to hand, but I think it's (before rearrangement!) the
> > >second movement of a clarinet quartet.
> > >Roger S
> > >
> > >
> > >On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, bob and deborah shaw wrote:
> > >
> > >> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:46:59 -0600
> > >> From: bob and deborah shaw <theshaws@-----.com>
> > >> Reply-To: klarinet@-----.org
> > >> To: Klarinet <klarinet@-----.org>
> > >> Subject: [kl] Wagner
> > >>
> > >> I have fallen in love with the Wagner Adagio and decided to do some
> > >> research on the piece. So far I have found tons of info on Wagner's
> > >> operas, but cannot find anything on the the Adagio for clarinet. Can
> > >> anyone steer me in the right direction. Do you know of sources where I
> > >> can find info on this piece of music? Thanks so much,
> > >>
> > >> Deborah
> > >>
> > >>
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