Klarinet Archive - Posting 000757.txt from 2000/03

From: "Michael Bryant" <michael@-----.uk>
Subj: Re: [kl] Wagner
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:34:04 -0500

John Newhill unravelled the mystery and the
references for his articles that interested parties need are:
Music and Letter, Volume 55 No 2, (April 1974)
"The Adagio for Clarinet and Strings by Wagner/Baermann"
and
Clarinet and Saxophone Volume 13 No 2 (June 1988)
"The Works of Heinrich Baermann"
Mike Bryant

Daniel Leeson wrote on 24 March 2000 14:29 about Wagner

>Jonathan, the general feeling about musical misinformation is that, once
>it enters into the body of knowledge and by whatever method it got there
>and no matter how wrongheaded it is and no matter what proofs are given
>to show that it is full of doo-doo, no power on earth can ever get it
>out.
>
>It is like a cancer that infects the history of whatever it is the
>cancer has attached itself to. Five hundred years from now, some poor,
>benighted student will play a concert at which the Wagner Adagio will be
>the centerpiece.
>
>There is nothing you can do about it, either.
>
>Have a nice day.
>
>Dan
>
>Jonathan Cohler wrote:
>>
>> It's amazing how long the mis-information on this piece has persisted and
>> been passed along. I remember seeing a performance of this work with
>> Harold Wright about fifteen years ago, which was already a good fifty
years
>> after it was known that the work is by Heinrich Joseph Brmann. Here are
>> the program notes from my recording "Cohler on Clarinet" (Ongaku
024-101 -
>> http://www.ongaku-records.com/ ). I hope these are helpful:
>>
>> ----------------
>> Jonathan Cohler
>>
>> Adagio from Quintet in No. 3 in E-flat Major, Op. 23 (1820-1821)
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>> This piece has been a victim of musicological negligence for more than
160
>> years! Brmann was the famous clarinetist for whom Weber wrote most of
his
>> clarinet music. Unfortunately for Brmann, Weber wrote his last clarinet
>> piece in 1816 (the Grand Duo Concertant on this recording), and Brmann
>> still needed fresh pieces for his concerts. This Adagio is the slow
>> movement from one of three clarinet quintets for clarinet and string
>> quartet that Brmann himself composed between 1820 and 1821.
>>
>> Shortly after Brmann's death, the music to this piece seems to have
>> disappeared. In 1926, the slow movement was discovered, but the copy had
>> no name on it. For some strange reason, musicologists and the publishers
>> decided to attribute this work to Richard Wagner, one of the later great
>> Romantic composers. If you are willing to forget that it sounds nothing
>> like Wagner, and that Wagner wrote no solo works for the clarinet, then
>> this attribution might be reasonable. Otherwise, it is quite a leap of
>> faith.
>>
>> Interestingly, in the earlier part of this century, some musicologists
>> discovered the error, but the attribution continued until as recently as
>> ten or fifteen years ago. Fortunately, the entire quintet has been
>> properly rediscovered and it is published by Musica Rara.
>>
>> At 4:37 AM -0500 3/24/0, Roger Shilcock wrote:
>> >This could be because it's not by Wagner. It's by one of the Baermanns -
>> >Heinrich, I think - and comes from a chamber music piece; I don't have
any
>> >sources of info. to hand, but I think it's (before rearrangement!) the
>> >second movement of a clarinet quartet.
>> >Roger S
>> >
>> >
>> >On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, bob and deborah shaw wrote:
>> >
>> >> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:46:59 -0600
>> >> From: bob and deborah shaw <theshaws@-----.com>
>> >> Reply-To: klarinet@-----.org
>> >> To: Klarinet <klarinet@-----.org>
>> >> Subject: [kl] Wagner
>> >>
>> >> I have fallen in love with the Wagner Adagio and decided to do some
>> >> research on the piece. So far I have found tons of info on Wagner's
>> >> operas, but cannot find anything on the the Adagio for clarinet. Can
>> >> anyone steer me in the right direction. Do you know of sources where
I
>> >> can find info on this piece of music? Thanks so much,
>> >>
>> >> Deborah
>> >>
>> >>
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