Klarinet Archive - Posting 001053.txt from 2000/02

From: Daniel Leeson <leeson0@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Opinions
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 12:45:36 -0500

What are you yelling at me for? I have said and continue to say that
many people on this list give all sorts of opinions which have no basis
in fact behind them. So if someone takes that idea and runs in a
direction that you happen not to like, somehow that's my fault???

Go figure.

Dan

Neil Leupold wrote:
>
> --- GrabnerWG@-----.com wrote:
>
> > Also, as Dan Leeson has pointed out so many times, we love to throw out
> > opinion without reason or fact behind it. And, also unfortunatley [sic],
> > the internet, and mailing lists like this have perpetuated and encouraged
> > this practise.
>
> Oh bullsh*t. Dan, what hast thou wrought? Sorry Walter, this isn't
> really directed at you. It's just kind of annoying in general that
> the notion of artificial purity and snooty epistemological elitism
> has actually spread to the point where list members are spouting it
> dogmatically. Gimme a break. This is almost as bad as our silly
> discussion about whether or not people should nudge a twig up their
> rear ends and write like Rumpole of the Bailey. Klarinet is about
> exchanging ideas, perspectives, and humor (we're clarinetists, after
> all!), not necessarily about scientifically controlled and proven
> facts in pedantically proper prose. Naturally, it is often useful
> when clear-cut information is available, but nobody lives life in-
> side an oscilloscope. If people want to liken life to an experiment,
> let's at least make sure we understand what kind of experiment it is:
> an imprecisely empirical one -- and imprecision is not an inherently
> negative idea. The prescriptive dogma of "all opinions must be sub-
> stantiated by veracious data" is one of the things that keeps so many
> of our members in the woodwork, and in the many years that I've been
> on the list, I've seen too many people announce their departure from
> it precisely because they felt intimidated by this snob-ocratic atti-
> tude. It is my OPINION that members are free to submit whatever ideas,
> thoughts, feelings, facts, falsehoods, and whatever else occurs to
> them within the bounds of civilized discourse. Interestingly enough,
> my opinion happens to correlate with fact. We can debate 'til we're
> blue in the face about whether or not they *should* express whatever
> is on their minds, but it's a losing argument when the facts are al-
> ready known. Even you can't disagree with that logic (and you know
> who "you" are).
>
> -- Neil
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