Klarinet Archive - Posting 001008.txt from 2000/02
From: "Michael Lawrence" <belgarath10@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] Very much on-topic language skills
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 21:58:03 -0500
"You should hear the way students in high school speak these days."
leo
May I ask what high school you attend? How are you to know just what
each student does or doesn't say? Granted, there are plenty of morons out
there who couldn't argue competently to save their life, but they have more
important matters to deal with anyway. There are those that strive to speak
well, and follow all grammatical rules applicable to the situation. If you
go into the modern classroom, teachers are not of the same quality they were
20, even 10 years ago. The way you were writing, I infered that you thought
all students, due to their laziness (I know this was only one sentence, but
this is the one that affects me most, and is a generalization I tend to
dislike) and general slovenliness, and that is simply not true. I dunno
(yes, I know that isn't a word, mere slang, but I'm willing to bet everyone
on this list knows what it means), maybe I am getting too annoyed over one
little sentence, but I know that many people believe that the youth of today
are lazy, arrogant, etc., with a rebellious spirit as not seen ever
before... and that isn't even remotely true. A relatively low percentage of
teenagers have made a stereotype that adults seem to accept as the average
life of a teen. Oh well, I have just been overly opinionated today, I
suppose:) I'll "get off of my soap box" now:).
-Michael L.
At 11:07 AM -0800 2/26/00, Daniel Leeson wrote:
>Neil's note suggesting that grammatic diversity serves a useful purpose
>is shown below. I could not agree less.
>
>One of the things that a clarinet player will probably have to do at
>some juncture of his/her life is to write about what they do. Some
>players are very brilliant performers but cannot communicate the time of
>day in intelligable, clear, articulate English (or whatever his/her
>language might be).
>
>If one tolerates sloppy, misspelled, grammatically inaccurate writings
>on this list (or worse, if our better players manifest it in their own
>writing styles), then the younger players are not going to be motivated
>to follow suit. While this has some social consequences, that is far
>less of a problem than the financial consequences of being inarticulate
>or appearing uneducated when they attempt to communicate in writing;
>i.e., they can make more money by being articulate and playing well,
>than they can simply by planing well.
>
>There are brilliant clarinetists in the US (and elsewhere) today who
>cannot write effectively about what they do. If they could, their
>audience would be greater and their impact more substantial. Some will
>never write or communicate well because great clarinet playing does not
>necessarily mean having the needed abilities to communicate well. But
>most of us do have that ability and by failing to stress its importance
>to younger players, we do them a disservice.
>
>Neil Leupold wrote:
>>
>> --- Jim O'Briant <jobriant@-----.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I figured that with the level of English grammar,
>> > syntax and spelling that I see from students on
>> > several different mailing lists, a little bit of
>> > education wouldn't hurt, either.....
>>
>> Ah yes, I used to be this way. I've come to recognize
>> over time, however, that there are actually "styles" of
>> English misconstruction. These distinctions become part
>> of people's written identities and lend character to their
>> particular brands of discourse. It is certainly not spe-
>> cific to students. Rather than interpreting such aberra-
>> tions as indications of laziness or incompetence, I've come
>> to view them as unique forms of self-expression. With only
>> the written word for communication on a mailing list, these
>> idiosyncratic foibles can genuinely serve to enrich one's
>> perception of the individual where few other qualifiers
>> exist ~ and I mean that in a positive way. In short,
>> let the mistakes abound!
>>
>> -- Neil
>
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>** Dan Leeson **
>** leeson0@-----.net **
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>
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