Klarinet Archive - Posting 000082.txt from 2000/01

From: Roger Shilcock <roger.shilcock@-----.uk>
Subj: Re: [kl] Recorders
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 05:20:37 -0500

These are transatlantic differences -- soprano in the U.S. = descant in
the U.K.; similarly, U.S. alto @-----. Your names are logical, ours
are traditional -- though the baroque "treble" was far more often in G
than F.
Roger S.

On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Dee D. Hays wrote:

> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:21:32 -0600
> From: "Dee D. Hays" <deehays@-----.com>
> Reply-To: klarinet@-----.org
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Recorders
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <charette@-----.org>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 12:42 PM
> Subject: [kl] Recorders
>
>
> >
> > Finale lists recorders (for orchestration purposes) as:
> > Descant
> > Soprano
> > Alto Tenor
> > Bass
> >
> > yet some references I'm checking list
> > Sopranino
> > Descant (or Soprano)
> > Treble (or Alto)
> > Tenor
> > Bass
> >
> > Does Finale have it wrong? Are in fact the Soprano and Descant the same
> instrument?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mark C.
> >
>
>
> It was a long time ago that I read this but here is what I remember. All
> note names refer to concert pitch.
>
> Sopranino - Lowest note is F that is an octave and a half above middle C on
> the grand staff. This is the one that I remember as being referred to as
> the descant.
>
> Soprano - Lowest note is one octave above middle C of the grand staff
>
> Alto - Lowest note is F just above the middle C of the grand staff. This
> one is also called treble.
>
> Tenor - Lowest note is middle C on the grand staff.
>
> Bass - Lowest note is F just below middle C of the grand staff.
>
>
>
> The alto and tenor recorders are definitely two different sizes.
>
> Maybe it's changes in naming conventions over time or in different places.
> Afterall look at what happened to the names of human voice ranges.
> Originally "alto" referred to a high male voice above the tenor. Now it's
> used for the low female voice. Finale probably just uses these as ways to
> assign the different wave forms and it doesn't necessarily have to have all
> that much meaning in terms of real instruments.
>
> What are you working on that requires recorders?
>
> By the way you should have seen the effort I went through on some old scores
> to get my brain squared away on some old flute/piccolo naming conventions.
> In some old band scores they follow a different naming convention. They are
> named for the concert pitch of the lowest fingered note and what confuses
> things is that the lowest fingered note on these instruments was a D. It
> did not have keys for C and C#. So what is calles a Db flute or piccolo in
> an orchestra was called an Eb flute or piccolo in these old scores. Boy was
> that confusing until I got squared away.
>
>
> Dee Hays
> Canton, SD
>
>
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