Klarinet Archive - Posting 001036.txt from 1999/12

From: Audrey Travis <vsofan@-----.com>
Subj: [kl] Re: klarinet Digest 29 Dec 1999 21:15:00 -0000 Issue 1939
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 09:06:05 -0500

Mark
Would you please send me this message again? My server was down AGAIN yesterday afternoon and only a few of the
messages on this klarinet digest list actually got delivered. Many thanks and happy millenium!

Audrey

klarinet-digest-help@-----.org wrote:

> klarinet Digest 29 Dec 1999 21:15:00 -0000 Issue 1939
>
> Topics (messages 24598 through 24614):
>
> Off-topic (and slightly off-color) but ...
> 24598 by: charette@-----.org
> 24608 by: Ken Wolman <ken.wolman@-----.com>
>
> Recorders
> 24599 by: "Benjamin Maas" <benmaas@-----.com>
> 24601 by: DPhilpot@-----.com
> 24602 by: charette@-----.org
> 24609 by: DPhilpot@-----.com
> 24611 by: charette@-----.org
> 24612 by: Richard Bush <rbushidioglot@-----.net>
> 24613 by: Richard Bush <rbushidioglot@-----.net>
> 24614 by: Richard Bush <rbushidioglot@-----.net>
>
> RC Prestige diff C#/G# key
> 24600 by: "David S. Naden" <dnaden@-----.edu>
> 24603 by: "Sean Tan" <schizo@-----.sg>
>
> Don Byron
> 24604 by: David Blumberg <reedman@-----.com>
>
> Unknown terminology
> 24605 by: "Hal Freiman" <HFREIMAN@-----.net>
> 24607 by: Tony@-----.uk (Tony Pay)
> 24610 by: DPhilpot@-----.com
>
> The Top Ten...
> 24606 by: "Fernando1" <fernando1@-----.br>
>
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> Date: 29 Dec 1999 18:30:35 -0000
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: charette@-----.org
> Subject: Off-topic (and slightly off-color) but ...
> Message-ID: <19991229183035.14704.qmail@-----.org>
>
> Checking through the Web sites hosted on/sponsoring Sneezy, I came across:
>
> Man Eats Underwear to beat breathalyzer. From The Advocate, a Canadian newspaper.
>
> http://www.bsideblues.com/underwear.htm
>
> Good reading, especially for those of you who are thinking about your New Year parties :^)
>
> Mark Charette@-----.org
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:45:39 -0500
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: Ken Wolman <ken.wolman@-----.com>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Off-topic (and slightly off-color) but ...
> Message-ID: <386A64E3.F922E2A0@-----.com>
>
> charette@-----.org wrote:
> >
> > Checking through the Web sites hosted on/sponsoring Sneezy, I came across:
> >
> > Man Eats Underwear to beat breathalyzer. From The Advocate, a Canadian newspaper.
> >
> > http://www.bsideblues.com/underwear.htm
> >
> > Good reading, especially for those of you who are thinking about your New Year parties :^)
>
> Rather reminds me of Bart Simpson's injunction to "Eat my shorts!"
>
> Ken
> ---------------------------
> Kenneth Wolman Deutsche Bank, NA 212-469-6494
> 1251 Avenue of the Americas New York, NY 10020
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:22:13 -0800
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> From: "Benjamin Maas" <benmaas@-----.com>
> Subject: RE: [kl] Recorders
> Message-ID: <NDBBJHLKCLLKHJMPAMBMMECICFAA.benmaas@-----.com>
>
> > Further information on the Heckelphone, aka bass oboe. The
> > Richard Strauss'
> > score for Elektra calls for "Heckelphon" which is listed after the 3 Oboi
> > (3rd anche corno inglese), then Heckelphon...so Strauss places it
> > in the oboe
> > family.
> >
>
> A Heckelphon is a double reed instrument that looks much like an oboe. My
> understanding, however, is that it is a different instrument than a bass
> oboe. Holst calls for a bass oboe in The Planets, but it is not a
> Heckelphon.
>
> I have not seen one up close so I cannot comment on its keywork/fingering
> system.
>
> --Ben
>
> Benjamin Maas
> Fifth Circle Audio
> Los Angeles, CA
> benmaas@-----.com
> http://www.fifthcircle.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:39:07 EST
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: DPhilpot@-----.com
> Subject: Re: [kl] Recorders
> Message-ID: <0.a9444ec1.259baf4b@-----.com>
>
> Yes, the Heckelphone is fingered slightly differently from an oboe, but it is
> still considered in the oboe family and so noted in Strauss' listing in the
> Elektra score. When I was involved in a Chicago Symphony performance of
> Elektra, the Heckelphone was played by Bob Mayer who was the orchestra's Eng.
> Horn player. The point is, it does not belong at the bottom of the bassoon
> listing in score order as Mark C. was suggesting.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: 29 Dec 1999 18:49:33 -0000
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: charette@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Recorders
> Message-ID: <19991229184933.17683.qmail@-----.org>
>
> DPhilpot wrote:
> > The point is, it does not belong at the bottom of the bassoon
> listing in score order as Mark C. was suggesting.
>
> Then it would be after oboe but before English Horn, or after English horn. I currently have:
> Oboe
> Oboe d'Amore
> English Horn
>
> (Bass Oboe did not come up in any of my composition database).
>
> Cheers & Thanks,
> Mark C.
> ,
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:53:34 EST
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: DPhilpot@-----.com
> Subject: Re: [kl] Recorders
> Message-ID: <0.b9cd5e87.259bc0be@-----.com>
>
> Because Heckelphone is an octave lower than oboe, it would come below the
> English Horn in score order.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: 29 Dec 1999 20:07:09 -0000
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: charette@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Recorders
> Message-ID: <19991229200709.24957.qmail@-----.org>
>
> DPhilpot wrote:
> >Because Heckelphone is an octave lower than oboe, it would come below the
> English Horn in score order.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Mark C.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:27:19 -0700
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: Richard Bush <rbushidioglot@-----.net>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Recorders
> Message-ID: <386A6EA4.A6D659AA@-----.net>
>
> Hi Dee D.,
>
> Happy holidays to you. Those precursors to the chalumeau were called idioglots.
> Drop me a line at: rbushidioglot@-----.
>
> "Dee D. Hays" wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <LeliaLoban@-----.com>
> > To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 9:14 AM
> > Subject: [kl] Recorders
> >
> > >
> > > ... The recorder is the clarinet's reedless ancestor and makes an
> > excellent
> > > doubling instrument for a clarinetist or a lightweight, starter instrument
> > > for a child who's still too small to begin on clarinet.
> >
> > Great information in your post but to say the recorder is the reedless
> > ancestor of the clarinet is incorrect. The recorder is technically a
> > "fipple flute" or "block flute." It bears no ties to the clarinet. This
> > can be seen by the fact that the first register jump is the octave not the
> > twelfth. Recorders were eventually supplanted by the transverse flutes that
> > we see today as the volume of the recorder simply wasn't enough to cope with
> > a mass of strings or with other instruments like the oboe etc.
> >
> > Primitive single reed instruments have been documented that even predate the
> > chalumeau. Something along the lines of a piece of cane tubing being cut
> > with one end split and modified to form a "mouthpiece/reed" result.
> >
> > Dee Hays
> > Canton, SD
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:33:59 -0700
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: Richard Bush <rbushidioglot@-----.net>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Recorders
> Message-ID: <386A7033.E073904C@-----.net>
>
> Put Hecklephone under oboe, English horn and bass oboe. Heckle made these strange instruments to extend the
> oboe family into the baritone range (English horn being the largest oboe type to this point in time). Great
> sound! Listen to the "Planets" by Holst. Of course ;-), Mark, you already know this.
>
> charette@-----.org wrote:
>
> > Thank you, Lelia. Trying to straighten out instrumentation has been a fun (and enlightening) game so far.
> >
> > A new one. I haven't figured out exactly where to put hecklephones. Rightnow they're listed after bassoons:
> > Bassoon
> > Contrabassoon
> > Hecklephone
> >
> > Does that seem right to everyone?
> >
> > Thanks for the help!
> >
> > mark C.
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:36:12 -0700
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: Richard Bush <rbushidioglot@-----.net>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Recorders
> Message-ID: <386A70B8.1D709447@-----.net>
>
> A Heckelphone is a Heckelphone. A bass oboe (made by Loree) is the modern
> replacement for this instrument.
>
> DPhilpot@-----.com wrote:
>
> > Heckelphone is a bass oboe.
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:30:12 -0800
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: "David S. Naden" <dnaden@-----.edu>
> Subject: Re: [kl] RC Prestige diff C#/G# key
> Message-ID: <386A5334.541A8BFC@-----.edu>
>
> Sean--
>
> Check the model of the instrument again. I have been playing on RC Prestige
> instruments since 1985, and have a friend from Taiwan who plays on RC Prestige
> instruments, and neither set has that key configuaration.
>
> David S. Naden, MMus
> Cal State University Los Angeles
>
> Sean Tan wrote:
>
> > hi,
> > I just recently notice that one of the Prestige RC (that a friend is using)
> > have a different mechanism for the C#/G# key. the position of the tone hole
> > is shifted lower to where the tenon joint is (there is a hole on the tenon
> > to facilitate this change). the hole is place just below the C/G tone hole
> > instead of the usual bottom right besides the trill keys.
> > I have always play on the plain RC and a number of my friends own the
> > prestige RCs, but I only notice this different C#/G# recently. is this a
> > standard for newer batch of Prestige RCs??
> >
> > I heard that the tenon-positioned-hole is a much better placement for the
> > C#/G# key.
> >
> > Sean
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 02:57:41 +0800
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> From: "Sean Tan" <schizo@-----.sg>
> Subject: Re: [kl] RC Prestige diff C#/G# key
> Message-ID: <013701bf522e$95f38140$f8d815a5=schizo-2>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David S. Naden <dnaden@-----.edu>
> To: klarinet@-----.org>
> Date: Thursday, December 30, 1999 2:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [kl] RC Prestige diff C#/G# key
>
> >Sean--
> >
> >Check the model of the instrument again. I have been playing on RC
> Prestige
> >instruments since 1985, and have a friend from Taiwan who plays on RC
> Prestige
> >instruments, and neither set has that key configuaration.
> >
> >David S. Naden, MMus
> >Cal State University Los Angeles
> ------------
> hi,
> I think its a Prestige RC model (based on the metal tab on the upper joint).
> mabbe the key configuration is an additional Factory option for that
> particular prestige.
>
> Sean :)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:07:04 -0500
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: David Blumberg <reedman@-----.com>
> Subject: re: Don Byron
> Message-Id: <4.2.2.19991229135619.00ce1f00@-----.1>
>
> gtg <gtgallant@-----.com> Subject: Re: [kl] Don Byron? I've heard Don Byron
> live and own a few of his cd's. He's a great innovator in the jazz world
> and incorporates many styles in his playing. He's an awesome klezmer player
> and can play a little classical too. He graduated from NEC and was in with
> the Berklee crowd at the time which included Branford Marsailis (sp). Byron
> was classically trained, but got turned off by the scene and started
> playing jazz. He's very political and outspoken about social issues, which
> can get annoying (did some of this in the concert I saw). He wins the
> Downbeat poll for clarinet almost every year now, even crushing the likes
> of Eddie "Mr. Same Licks Over and Over" Daniels. He plays a mean bass
> clarinet also! His sound is definitely unique and he has good technique.
> Buy one of his cds and see for yourself. Hope this helps.
>
> -----------------------------
>
> I took my then 6yr old daughter to a Byron concert that instead of Klezmer
> (which I thought it was), he played modern atonal jazz (I call it crap, but
> that is the technical name ;). It started, couple of minutes went
> by -- eeek, eeek, ahh, ahh, SQUWAK, SQUWAK - my daughter let out a squeal
> of laughter. I had to take her out of the concert. She was almost on the
> floor laughing. Too bad, though - I really wanted to hear him play his
> Klezmer live.
>
> David Blumberg http://www.mytempo.com/brightlight.htm "the Bright Lite"
> leak light for Lower Clarinets
> www.mp3.com/mytempo
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:15:23 -0500
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> From: "Hal Freiman" <HFREIMAN@-----.net>
> Subject: Unknown terminology
> Message-ID: <000e01bf5231$0fbd42c0$120bfed1=halfreiman>
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> I am currently working on a piece Adagio and Gigue by Corelli. There =
> is one marking in the piece that I have not seen before and don't know =
> what it means: perdendosi. Any help will be greatly appreciated. =
> Thanks
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:34:21 GMT
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: Tony@-----.uk (Tony Pay)
> Subject: Re: [kl] Unknown terminology
> Message-ID: <19991229.193421.90@-----.uk>
>
> On Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:15:23 -0500, HFREIMAN@-----.net said:
>
> > I am currently working on a piece Adagio and Gigue by Corelli. There
> > is one marking in the piece that I have not seen before and don't know
> > what it means: perdendosi. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> > Thanks
>
> It means, literally: 'losing itself'. So, 'dying away' would be a good
> English translation.
>
> I'd be a bit surprised if that marking was by Corelli himself.
>
> Tony
> --
> _________ Tony Pay
> |ony:-) 79 Southmoor Rd Tony@-----.uk
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> tel/fax 01865 553339
>
> ... Brain: apparatus used to think we think.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:56:09 EST
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> From: DPhilpot@-----.com
> Subject: Re: [kl] Unknown terminology
> Message-ID: <0.be13df1f.259bc159@-----.com>
>
> perdendosi: "dying away", in other words, getting softer and slower as well.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 17:22:14 -0200
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> From: "Fernando1" <fernando1@-----.br>
> Subject: Re: [kl] The Top Ten...
> Message-ID: <000201bf5232$78df3640$23e0efc8=clarineta>
>
> See, what I have been trying to put in discussion is:
> Does you mean that would be possible anybody write down a list of the "top
> ten" clarinet players and just put South Americans? or Europeans? or any
> others????????
> I just was surprise to see in our Klarinet one list like that!
>
> My list of the "top ten"
>
> David Shifrin
> Karl Leister
> Philipe Cupper
> José Botelho (Brazil)
> Luis Rossi
> Benny Goodman
> Lois Cahuzac
> Larry Combs
> Sabine Meyer
> Paquito D'Rivera
>
> All the best
>
> Fernando
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> Fernando Silveira
> Clarinet Professor - Rio de Janeiro University - Brazil
> Rio de Janeiro Municipal Theater Symphony Orchestra
> Selmer/Vandoren Artist
> fersilv@-----.br
>
> ------------------------------
>
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