Klarinet Archive - Posting 000929.txt from 1999/10

From: "bhunter" <bhunter@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] should the embouchure move?
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 06:09:18 -0400

> On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:02:11 +0100, I said:
>
> > On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:35:21 EDT, GrabnerWG@-----.com said:
> >
> > > I was rather glad that the topic was posted. I confess to a very
> > > flexible jaw, even to the point of light vibrato. I was hoping for=
a
> > > good discussion....
> >
> > And didn't you get it, Walter?
> >
> > Tony
>
> OK, I see that I've been rather heavy-handed about this one, probably
> due to past...Oh, well, never mind.
>
> Sometimes, if I have to do an exaggerated vibrato (in a modern piece,
> say) I push and pull the instrument bodily in and out of my mouth at
> around 5Hz, amplitude around 5mm.
>
> BUT THE EMBOUCHURE DOESN'T MOVE!
>
> ;-)
>
> Tony

Oh boy! We gonna start a discussion now about whether the embouchure move=
s around the clarinet, or the clarinet moves within the embouchure? 8^)

Didn't Galileo (or somebody) say something about, (in reference to levers=
), "Give me a place to stand, and I'll move the embouchure"?

Or was it that Naval guy who said something like, "Damn the embouchures, =
full reed ahead"?

Or was it Shakespeare, "The quality of embouchure is not strained"?

Oh, I remember, it was Einstein, E=3Dmc^2, or, "Embouchure is equal to =
muscle control squired."!

Sorry, it's late, and post-rehearsal energy is still surging.

8^)

Bruce
bhunter@-----.com

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From: Tony@-----.uk (Tony Pay)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:49:13 +0100
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Subject: RE: [donax-m] bending notes down

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:49:56 -0700 (PDT), goff@-----.edu said:

> I'll keep trying and in the meantime would welcome any other
> suggestions people might have.

For me, the bend is nothing to do with the embouchure, but is wholly
determined by my tongue position and my throat. In fact, my embouchure
is tighter, if anything, as I do the downward gliss (which is
comfortably only about a sixth in my case, without using any fingers).

But you're better off not thinking of it as tongue position, I suggest.
Think instead of some very extreme vowel, like the one at the beginning
of '~GNyeeeuugh!', said and try, without the clarinet, to squeeze out
the sound of an alien in agony. Then put the instrument in your mouth,
and blow, keeping the same tongue and throat feeling, fingering a high
C. Nothing will come out, most probably.

*Then* play the high C normally, and continuing blowing, harder if
anything as you proceed, change your tongue and throat position to the
'~GNyeeeuugh' one. Don't relax your embouchure.

It's rather like learning to whistle -- once you start to catch on, you
know where to 'look' in order to get better. And the tongue and throat
positions involved in the bend are so far away (in parameter space) from
what we normally do when we blow the clarinet that you have to make a
rather extreme change in order to find them.

If that doesn't work, try another alien. Get a child to help you:-)

Tony
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