Klarinet Archive - Posting 000886.txt from 1999/10

From: Shouryu Nohe <jnohe@-----.edu>
Subj: Re: [kl] Sax Advice
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 03:45:20 -0400

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 GCalzati@-----.com wrote:

> Kirk Whalum, Cannonball Adderly, Ben Webster, and Sonny Rollins just to name
> a few are tenor players and ones whom I listened to when trying to capture "a
> sound".
> Kirk Whalum's sound is gorgeous!

Cannonball played tenor??? The only recordings I heard (Mercy Mercy Mercy
Live at the Club...and I can't recall the name of the other CD) had
him playing all alto. (Assisted by his bro Nat on cornet, Joe Zawinul on
piano...and a couple of other people on bass and drums.) Of course, what
I found so distinguishing about Cannonball's alto playing is that he
sounds VERY much UNLIKE typical jazz alto playing. His tone has just a
bit more edge, and not quite as bright. Rather, it is abrasive and full,
like a tenor with a NY Otto Link 4* and a V16 reed at about strength 4.
^_^

I hear a lot of saxophonists play Mercy Mercy Mercy, and they play it
trying to sound as much like Cannonball as possible, and do a relatively
good job. But they do it on tenor. Never the less, he played it on alto,
and I would love to know how he got it to sound like he did.

(Okay, that's enough axe talk on the licorice list for me...well, maybe
not.)

>
>

J. Shouryu Nohe
http://web.nmsu.edu/~jnohe
Professor of SCSM102, New Mexico State Univ.
"If I wanted a 'job,' I'd have gone music ED, thank you very much!"

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 08:27:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Goff <goff@-----.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.991028081445.8812B-100000@-----.edu>
Subject: [donax-m] bending notes down

I am trying to figure out how to get a good bend. I have started with the
C above the staff and I try and bend it down as far as I can. With
changing just my embouchure I can only manage to go down about 1/4 step.
If I include my tongue, I can sometimes get down almost 1/2 step. I've
heard that it is possible to go down an octave or more and I have seen
people bend down at least a fourth, so I know it is possible to do more
than I can. I did a search on the Klarinet archives and I have talked to
people here and it seems like there is a fair amount of agreement that
getting the pitch down involves lowering the tongue, loosening the
embouchure somewhat, and opening the throat (including using eee vs. ahhh
feelings in the mouth). When I play normally, my throat tends to be pretty
open and I can't seem to open it any further. Moving my tongue down and
back seems to do some, but only if I have already also relaxed my
embouchure quite a bit and even then, I'm lucky to get down 1/2 step.
What I am wondering is if anyone has any other ways of thinking about what
needs to go on physically to achieve the drop in pitch. Is it something
that happens gradually (like you can gradually get lower and lower as you
practice it more) or when you can do it, it happens all at once? Any
thoughts would be appreciated.

In any case, I'll keep trying (and hopefully accomplish more than a
half step and mild headache at some point).

Matt Goff

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