Klarinet Archive - Posting 000058.txt from 1999/04

From: Roger Garrett <rgarrett@-----.edu>
Subj: Re: [kl] Deep understanding
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 00:38:19 -0500

On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, Tony Pay wrote:
> I didn't understand those two things, not because I am stupid, but
> because they are not understandable.

To the list. Please note, I never said that Mr. Pay is stupid. He seems
to have deduced this himself.

> > > the "refinement" [you] describe is simplistic and unrealistic.

Mr. Pay seems to be unhappy with the fact that I disagree with him and
cannot accept that as a fact. I am sorry that he feels the need to push
the issue - but I will not enter into his dialogue. He will simply have
to live with the fact that people disagree with him. His position as an
educator is unrealistic. I'm sorry that he feels the need to twist my
words to try to support an unfounded position.

> ...what sort of expression does Roger mean, that is simple enough that
> my nonexistent 'discussion' of 'refinement' can refer?

It is clear he does not understand what I have said. I will not go any
further. I have read my statements, and I believe they speak for
themselves. I will NOT get into a trapped dialogue with Mr. Pay so that
he can use language to leverage an argument - something he seems to thrive
on.

> Does Roger really refuse to explain these things to all of us?
>
> We all write for the list, surely.

Mr. Pay writes for his own self gratification and ego. Of that, there can
be no discrepency. This kind of person does not discuss - he argues,
bulies, and pushes until he gets his way. A few nice CD's and a few well
thought of discussions do not a gentleman make. Mr. Pay has a reputation
for stalking out of recording sessions and upseting his own people. I do
not intend to get into a diaglogue regarding the musical education of
children with a person who has no background, no credible education
regarding young children, and no reputation for teaching young children.
Frankly, I find his assertions to be based on his recordings and his
reputation rather than a documented education of such. He resorts to name
calling and immature banterings when he doesn't get his way. That is my
opinion.

> And I submit that it is not surprising that I am not in the business of
> taking private email lessons from Roger. After all, he began the
> exchange by commenting publicly on a post of mine.

Mr. Pay only uses a public forum to further his own insatiable ego. It is
sad that a musical talent has to be associated with such a pathetic
person. My response to his email was one that discussed issues as related
to music education. Mr. Pay is not associated with such, and he has no
record with working with young children.

I will say no more on the matter - regardless of the defamatory comments
Mr. Pay states in his immature and unprofessional way.
Roger Garrett
Professor of Clarinet
Director - Concert Band, Symphonic Winds & Titan Band
Advisor - Recording Studio
Illinois Wesleyan University

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