| Klarinet Archive - Posting 000443.txt from 1998/12 From: Lisa Clayton <lisakc@-----.com>Subj: Re: [kl] Wagner's Ring again
 Date: Wed,  9 Dec 1998 20:33:50 -0500
 
 At 12:28 PM 12.07.98 +0000, you wrote:
 >Dear Lisa et al.:
 >it is perfectly possib;e to listen to Wagner and/or see his works staged
 >without being conscious of his anti-Semitism. I think this is a reasonable
 >justification for so doing - providing his music is actually to your
 >taste.
 >Roger Shilcock
 
 This is very true, but say you were reading "Gunga Din" by Rudyard Kipling
 and you came upon these lines:
 
 "An' for all 'is dirty 'ide
 'E was white, clear white, inside"
 
 If you had no idea what British imperialism meant to the southeast Asian
 peoples, and enjoyed the poem but was unaware of Kipling's politics, you
 could easily interpret this to mean that the waterboy Gunga Din was rather
 filthy, but he had a pure soul.
 
 More Kipling:
 
 "Take up the White man's burden --
 Send forth the best ye breed --
 Go bind your sons to exile
 To serve your captives' need;
 To wait in heavy harness
 On fluttered folk and wild --
 Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
 Half devil and half child."
 
 It becomes fairly clear at this point what Kipling thinks of non-whites:
 half-devils and half-children.  And to be somewhat fair to Kipling, the the
 poem talks about the British Empire's responsibility to these countries.
 Yet, at no point in this poem does Kipling ever cite the humanity of these
 peoples in the context of their own culture.  In this light, "Gunga Din"
 takes on a new, *possibly* truer interpretation:  the waterboy's skin is
 dark (dirty hide), but his soul is white.  At the time that may have been
 considered high praise, but the historical cost of that kind of attitude
 has been racism, where dark-skinned people are considered inferior to
 light-skinned people.
 
 Wagner isn't that much different.  He wrote explicitly anti-Semitic tracts,
 so we definitely know about his politics.  And, like Kipling, he wasn't
 really an extremist in his time.  And, as Dan has pointed out, he used
 anti-Semitic stereotypes in his operas that would have been recognized by
 the audiences of the time.  It's an interesting quirk of history that this
 type of antisemitism has become so unfamiliar to us that we don't easily
 recognize it, whereas when we read Kipling's poetry his racism is very
 apparent.
 
 So yes, you can enjoy both _Gotterdammerung_ and "Gunga Din" without
 understanding the history behind them.  However, that understanding does
 add more meaning to both works.
 
 Lisa Clayton
 lisakc@-----.com
 
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