Klarinet Archive - Posting 000894.txt from 1998/11

From: Roger Shilcock <roger.shilcock@-----.uk>
Subj: Re: [kl] Re: Should I..? [No, you shouldn't.]
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:30:19 -0500

What does Tony P. think of the metaprinciple (?) that you have to know the
rules before you can break them?
Roger Shilcock

On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, Tony Pay wrote:

> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:12:52 +0100
> From: Tony Pay <Tony@-----.uk>
> Reply-To: klarinet@-----.org
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Re: Should I..? [No, you shouldn't.]
>
> On Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:05:04 -0600 (CST), nleupold@-----.edu said:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Personally, I feel it is inappropriate of any member to complain and
> > pontificate about -- much less prescribe - how other members should
> > express themselves on the list. Feel free to do so further, as you
> > have already done, but thankfully it won't make a difference. The
> > reason people stay with Klarinet for so long -- and volunteer to be
> > civil and tolerant -- is that all members are allowed to be themselves
> > without reservation. If you wish to limit that remarkable dynamic
> > with parameters of discourse, I have a suggestion of my own to offer:
> > start another forum and moderate it to your liking.
>
> I thought of myself as just presenting an argument, not as wanting
> anyone not to be themselves. It wasn't intended to be a meta-post,
> though I see how you could see it like that. Its intention was rather
> to address the content of what people post, which is surely what we are
> here for.
>
> Admittedly it was attacking what I see as the general misapprehension
> that you can give technical advice independently of the context of the
> music, the student's physiological makeup, the instrument and so on, and
> it's true that the giving of such advice does usually characterise a
> rather opinionated style of post -- but it wasn't the opinionatedness
> that I was attacking. There are plenty of things about which
> opinionatedness does no harm whatsoever.
>
> I just think that it would be rather hard work here to challenge all the
> definite statements about what is and is not the way to play -- where
> you 'should' put your teeth, how you 'should' keep your throat open, and
> so on, and I was putting forward the notion that it was a Good Idea to
> have a sort of mental alarm bell that would go off whenever you start a
> sentence that contains a 'should'.
>
> Particularly if you're giving advice to an inexperienced player.
>
> Tony
> --
> _________ Tony Pay
> |ony:-) 79 Southmoor Rd Tony@-----.uk
> | |ay Oxford OX2 6RE
> tel/fax 01865 553339
>
> "...his playing soars so freely, one is aware of witchcraft without
> noticing a single magical gesture."
> (C.D.F.Schubart on the harpsichord playing of C.P.E.Bach)
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