Klarinet Archive - Posting 000730.txt from 1998/08

From: "F. Sheim" <fsheim@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] Fw: Buffet E13
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:07:59 -0400

How recent do you mean? My 1963 R13 has the pin-hole type of left hand
levers.

Fred (fsheim@-----.com)

At 09:08 AM 8/25/98 +0100, you wrote:
>Matt:
>Re the e / b' key - I think the pin-and-hole arrangement is a fairly
>recent development, and ALL "Boehm" clarinets used to have the levers
>with a cork-faced contact area. The pins are not wear-proof; my A is
>beginning to show signs of wear at this point, and the effects seem to be
>more widespread than those of the cork getting thin. Compared with my B
>flat (with no pin), the throw of the lever controlling the keycup is less.
>It looks to me as though some subtle redesign of the keys hereabouts
>should have been done which hasn't been done. Another potential difficulty
>is that if something happens to affect the alignment of
>the side lever, or its tightness on its pivot, there's no way it can be
>partially compensated for by adjusting the cork. Of course, there are
>those on this list who (with a vested interest?) might say, "That's good -
>it means it gets to the repairman sooner ...".
>Roger Shilcock
>
>
>On Sat, 22 Aug 1998, Matt Palasik wrote:
>
>> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:01:48 -0700
>> From: Matt Palasik <mattp169@-----.com>
>> Reply-To: klarinet@-----.org
>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>> Subject: Re: [kl] Fw: Buffet E13
>>
>> In my experience the bigest differences between intermediate and pro
>> models is intonation and key work.
>> On promodels tone holes are sometimes located a mm higher or lower which
>> improves intonation especially in the altissimo register. Some more
>> experienced players on the list could probably explain this concept
>> better then I. But the keywork is often differnt. On student and
>> intermediate models, the keywork will havehave corkk spacers to make key
>> combinations work. I f you look at the connection of the left hand e/b
>> key there will be a piece of cork at the top of its very end on which
>> the a connection to the right hand e/b key. the two pieces are seperate
>> and can easily come out of adjustment with a slight jar. The same is
>> true for the c/f keys and the c#f/f# keys. now on r13s and many
>> professional models the keys are joined together. the connetor from
>> the right hand keys has a small hole in the center into which the left
>> and key is inserted to make a nearly seemless connection. also on
>> student models the places where keys over lap and toch each other are
>> somethines slight larger then they need to be. So if they are a little
>> out of adjustment they still work. BUt on r13s and others there is
>> very little excess everything is exact and precise. there is move cor
>> often but not to keep things in adjustment but to make the keys fuction
>> better. If you look at student models metal will hit metal the keys
>> will rest against the body of the instrument. On pro models cork is
>> added to keep all keys level and off of each other and the body of the
>> clarinet.
>>
>> While the keywork does not effect the sound of an instrument it will
>> make it easier to play. I am just starting at a repair shoop in my town
>> and in the past week i have worked on 7 or 8 student models 2
>> intermediates and then go home and practice on my r13. Even after the
>> student models are perfectly adjusted and the instrument is playing
>> wonderful. The keywork is still slightly harder and less fluid then on
>> a pro model
>>
>> matt
>>
>> Sheryl L. Katz wrote:
>> >
>> > I'd been looking for a clarinet in the key of C for months. After
looking
>> > and looking I got a used Noblet 45. This is made by LeBlanc and is an
>> > "artist" or student model. It's a truly beautiful clarinet and the sound
>> > and workmanship are fantastic. I've got a Yamaha YCL-72 Bb which is
>> > supposedly a "professional" level clarinet and I've played R-13s and and
>> > various LeBlanc pro models and I can't figure out how this Noblet is an
>> > "artist" level instrument while the others are pro models.
>> >
>> > I haven't seen or played the Buffet E13, but based on my experience with
>> > this Noblet can easily imagine that it might be difficult if not
impossible
>> > to distinguish the professional model from a good intermediate clarinet.
>> > Maybe someone knows something about what really makes these clarinets
>> > "inferior."
>> >
>> > Sherry Katz
>> >
>> > >
>> > >-----Original Message-----
>> > >From: Debbie Sellers <CB270@-----.net>
>> > >To: klarinet-owner@-----.org>
>> > >Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 11:25 PM
>> > >Subject: Buffet E13
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Knowing the R13 is a very popular clarinet I went the the music store
>> > >with all intentions of buying one. I was encouraged, or almost
>> > >pressured to try the E13. The guy told me he could find no difference
>> > >in the two except price. I couldn't either, but I don't have the
>> > >experience to tell the difference.
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