Klarinet Archive - Posting 000078.txt from 1998/08

From: "F. Sheim" <fsheim@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] cadenza/eingang?
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:19:36 -0400

At 09:23 AM 8/3/98 EDT, you wrote:
>> From: MX%"klarinet@-----.70
>> Subj: Re: [kl] cadenza/eingang?
>
>> on 7/29/98 9:15 PM, Dan Leeson wrote:
>>
>> >These place in K. 622 have been called "the cadenza" or
>> >"cadenzas" even though no such thing exists in that work.
>> >An eingang is something else again, maybe a distant
>> >third cousin to a cadenza.
>>
>> Many years ago, and conductor friend was conducting a small metropolitan
>> orchestra. At the next concert, the featured soloist was to be the winner
>> of the concerto competition. A letter arrived from the orchestra manager,
>> a woman with more time than musical knowledge, which stated that the
>> soloist would play the ?*?*?*? Concerto, but would not perform the
>> credenza (?!?!).
>>
>> What I want to know from Dan is, is the credenza anything like the
>> eingong?
>
>Well, if you want to stretch it a little, a credenza is somewhat
>like a cadenza in that both are supposed to be fancy with all
>sorts of frills on them. I was always amazed as a kid when I
>was told that "a cadenza is the place in a concerto where the
>soloist shows his skills," because I figured "What has the
>soloisit been doing up to that point if not showing his skills?".
>
>And the bigger and fancier the cadenza, very often the more it
>is used in hushed respect, just like a big and fancy credenza
>which holds a central place in the living room. In the Mozart
>concerti, the Brahms cadenzas (in K. 491 for example) are spoken
>of in whispered astonishment. They are, of course, quite
>difficult and they have absolutely nothing to do with the concerto
>in which they have been so carelessly placed. It is a perfect
>example of knowledge from one epoch being presumed to apply to
>an earlier one. Brahms also edited the 1875 edition of the
>Requiem and the things he put into it!!!!! Mama mia. He was,
>of course, a proponent of the long, long line, the romantic
>phrase, so he loaded up the Requiem with that kind of thing.
>It's beautiful, of course, but not classical.
>
>I have a credenza from the late 1800s and it is covered with
>carved woodwork. Whenever I look at it I realize what
>romantic was.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> David
>>
>> David Niethamer
>> Principal Clarinet, Richmond Symphony
>> dnietham@-----.edu
>> http://members.aol.com/dbnclar1/
>>
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>Dan Leeson, Los Altos, California
>Rosanne Leeson, Los Altos, California
>leeson@-----.edu
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Are you sure its a credenza? It might be an eingang! :D

Fred (fsheim@-----.com)

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