Klarinet Archive - Posting 000804.txt from 1998/07

From: Roger Shilcock <roger.shilcock@-----.uk>
Subj: Re: [kl] Re: mozart...
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:20:36 -0400

This used to be called "argumentum ad hominem".
Karen clearly *has* experience of *being taught*. Your view of her
personality doesn't invalidate this.
rjs

On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, dnaden wrote:

> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:02:45 -0700
> From: dnaden <dnaden@-----.net>
> Reply-To: klarinet@-----.org
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: Re: [kl] Re: mozart...
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> Karen--
>
> This is the most arrogant, self-righteous post I have read in a long time. You
> have done exactly what you said you were trying not to do, and have put yourself
> on a pedistal. At this stage of your life, you know a little about music, and
> even less about teaching. All I read in this post is I...I...I.
>
> Simply put: Grow up. Many high school students have done what you are doing
> (including me), and many more will. Your EGO is your biggest enemy. Learn to
> control it.
>
> David S. Naden, MMus
> Cal State University Los Angeles
>
>
>
> Cheddar99@-----.com wrote:
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> > I feel that i've had enough experience to say that teachers need to put more
> > effort. I teach private lessons, I have conducted and been in charge of a
> > beginning band at a 2 week long summer music camp. I have been the Teacher
> > Assistant for the instrumental music department for 2 years so it's *my* job
> > to do all the organizing and behind the scene stuff. I'm a group leader and
> > section leader for our marching band's clarinet section, and in charge of the
> > entire woodwind section. I am in charge of inventory for all the instruments
> > in storage and the uniforms. I play every woodwind instrument except for the
> > bassoon, and have had suffecient experience on percussion, and I've started
> > learning brass this summer. (and it's not like I have all day to do this stuff
> > since I'm an AP student taking college classes and I have a job)
> > When i say that teachers need to put more effort in, I don't mean every
> > teacher. I'm sure there are thousands of really good music teachers, but so
> > far i've only found one, and she teaches orchestra so I'm out of luck. I've
> > had teachers that scream at you for making a simple mistake, teachers that use
> > learning theory as a form of punnishment (that's a great thing to get into
> > kids heads...) from my graduating class from my middle school, I am the ONLY
> > student who didn't quit band because of the bad experiences we had because of
> > the teacher we had there.
> > I'm sorry If I offended anyone by my statement. But from my experience, every
> > word is true.
> >
> > (I don't mean to put myself up on a pedistal by saying i've done this and
> > that. I know that I don't know everything about music and teaching and I
> > probably never will, but this is my opinion)
> >
> > Karen D
> > Los Altos Ca
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