Klarinet Archive - Posting 000248.txt from 1998/06

From: "Jay D. Webler" <webler@-----.net>
Subj: RE: [kl] Mozart Question
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:58:01 -0400

If you played a 64th note turn with 32nd notes would that be "a turn for the worse". Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Jay Webler
webler@-----.net

On Sun, 07 Jun 1998 08:45:25 EDT, Dan Leeson: LEESON@-----.edu wrote:

>> From: MX%"klarinet@-----.25
>> Subj: [kl] Mozart Question
>
>> I see Dan Leeson is around so I thought I would post this question which came
>> up at a discussion I was having with some friends recently.
>>
>> I was wondering about the first movement of the Mozart trio. Is there another
>> work of Mozart which has so many turns written out? For someone who composes
>> at such a tremendous rate, all those turns add up to a lot of notes to write!
>> If anyone has a non-speculative response, I would really appreciate it.
>
>Interesting you should ask, though there are several people much better
>informed on the Kegelstatt than I am. However, I suggest that the items
>you refer to as "turns" are such that Mozart wanted something far more
>precise than the notiation for a turn could give him. If he had used
>that turn notation, then the interpretation of what he meant would have
>wandered all over the place, and with a statistical average of them being
>played as 32nd notes, which they are not.
>
>But those turns are very precisely given with a structure that one would
>be unlikely to get by accident. The actual turn is in 64th notes. Even
>written that way, I have heard recordings of the work in which they
>are played as 32nd notes. I believe that Mozart wrote the turns out
>in order to achieve a specific proportion that he would not have gotten
>with the turn symbol. In effect, the turn is twice as fast as you
>would expect it to be (which is one of the reasons why the work is
>so tough to execute correctly).
>
>I know of no opinion that suggests the work to be missing a first
>movement. It has been commented on that it is strange for the
>work to have an andante first movement, but that, to the best of
>my knowledge, has never been accompanied by the suggestion that
>it, therefore, must be missing a first movement.
>
>
>
>>
>> Also, I just thought of something else relating to this work. I remember
>> reading or hearing once that it was possible that there is a missing first
>> movement to this piece. Any truth to that?
>>
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