Klarinet Archive - Posting 001074.txt from 1998/05

From: Roger Shilcock <roger.shilcock@-----.uk>
Subj: Re: [kl] Re; Allocation of Educational Spending - Not Salaries
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 05:08:41 -0400

I think it's worth pointing out that teachers over here get far smaller
salaries, yet absorb far more of the costs -- and we seem to have the same
"crisis" as you do........
Roger Shilcock

On Tue, 19 May 1998, Gene Nibbelin wrote:

> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 01:02:25 -0400
> From: Gene Nibbelin <gnibbelin@-----.com>
> Reply-To: klarinet@-----.org
> To: klarinet <klarinet@-----.org>
> Subject: [kl] Re; Allocation of Educational Spending - Not Salaries
>
> George -
>
> My compliments. You did it fairly well, not real well, but fairly well.
>
> The old technique of attacking someone who disagrees with you in order to
> put them on the defensive IS rather transparent, though, but your
> condescension is a nice touch.
>
> Boiling it down to basics, the point that I was making was that by reducing
> the numbers and salaries of the CHIEFS, there would be a hell of a lot more
> money for the INDIANS, WHO ARE THE ONES WHO ACTUALLY EDUCATE THE STUDENTS.
>
>
> You teachers on the list are more familiar with the statistics regarding
> administrative salary levels relative to teacher salaries than I am.
> However, the salaries for the grossly overstaffed Administrators in the Lee
> County Schools System here in Ft. Myers, FL are absolutely obscene.
>
> For example: A teacher with 5 years experience makes about $35,000 per
> year including fringe benefits and has a class size of 25 students for an
> annual per student teacher cost of $1,400. And published figures put the
> annual per student costs at approximately $9,700. Thus, there are $8,300
> in annual administrative costs and - to be fair - building expenses. The
> outrage in this is the fact that only 14.4% of the annual per student cost
> goes to the teachers.
>
> You folks on the list know if this is a typical situation or not, but I
> imagine that it applies to many, many school districts. As should be
> obvious, I am on the side of the teachers in this matter.
>
> As to relative salaries, education vs private sector, I refer you to the
> effects of supply and demand on wages in Economics 101.
>
> This is way off the subject of clarinets, so lets have this be the last
> word on this matter since I imagine that we are all in basic agreement
> regarding a much needed improvement in the allocation of educational
> spending.
>
> Gene
> ----------
> > From: George Kidder <gkidder@-----.edu>
> > To: klarinet@-----.org
> > Subject: [kl] Salaries (renamed)
> > Date: Monday, May 18, 1998 6:40 AM
> >
> > Gene -
> >
> > Not being so very much younger than you, I have become used to your
> > attitude, and would not reply except for one rather egregious comment -
> to
> > wit:
> >
> > >The money saved by reducing the number of school administrators by 20%
> to
> > >30% and putting the salary scales of the remaining administrators in
> line
> > >with salaries in the private sector for comparable management skills
> >
> > Now don't we wish the salaries in education were anywhere near equal to
> > what the private sector pays! This, if you like, is the root of the
> > problem, not the other way around. Go figure.
> > George Kidder
> > MDIBL
> >
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